Author Topic: U.S. Presidential Megathread (Read 8764 times)

Operator� · January 11, 2013, 08:05:35 PM

politics are a huge mess

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TheChaosCarrier · January 11, 2013, 08:07:49 PM

Quote from: Nonnel on January 11, 2013, 08:02:34 PM

Tax the lower class, not the upper class. Reaganomics, my boy.

You know nothing of Reaganomics and that philosophy was proven horrid and inefficient for this time period.
You cannot tax the lower class while the rich sip their tea and enjoy their massing piles of money. That will piss off a lot of people very quickly.

This is even more proof you kids know nothing of politics. Stop listening to your parents' rambling.

Please consider the Blue-Collar middle class and realize that taxing them instead of the upper class will stagnate the economic progress. We want to reach the expansion stage, taxing blue-collar will only put us deeper towards a trough.

Learn how politics work, please.

Operator� · January 11, 2013, 08:10:25 PM

1. fund congressman's campaign with loads of $$$
2. wait for them to win
3. ???
4. profit

TheChaosCarrier · January 11, 2013, 08:13:18 PM

Warren Buffet supports higher taxes for the rich, by the way.

BlockoCrafter · January 11, 2013, 08:13:54 PM

Why don't we just tax everyone almost evenly? There's nothing wrong with that. As long as the President doesn't spend money on things we don't need, we'd be ok.

Quote from: TheChaosCarrier on January 11, 2013, 08:13:18 PM

Warren Buffet supports higher taxes for the rich, by the way.

And?

Kearn · January 11, 2013, 08:17:17 PM

Quote from: TheChaosCarrier on January 11, 2013, 08:13:18 PM

Warren Buffet supports higher taxes for the rich, by the way.

because warren buffet gets his income from capital gains you jerk

why do people think that taxing the bad evil wealthy businessmen will fix everything? they'll just lay off more workers and make cheaper products to compensate

TheChaosCarrier · January 11, 2013, 08:21:39 PM

Quote from: Kearn on January 11, 2013, 08:17:17 PM

because warren buffet gets his income from capital gains you jerk

why do people think that taxing the bad evil wealthy businessmen will fix everything? they'll just lay off more workers and make cheaper products to compensate

Because (and yet I used to believe in this silly idea) taxing everyone the exact same will do nothing. Taxing the lower middle class or blue-collar will only hurt us at this point.
We need to tax the rich because of the fact that they make stuff loads more money than we do. $400,000 a year.
If you taxed that to double-digit rates and collected that tax from every single upper classman with that income, it gives assloads of money to the government.

Yeah, it's a purely socialist idea, but at this point it's probably our best bet to help our economy even more. Nick is right, the economy isn't as bad as the media makes it out to be, but it's not entirely favorable compared to other countries. Our per capita GPD proves that.

Nickelob Ultra · January 11, 2013, 08:24:45 PM

Quote from: Nonnel on January 11, 2013, 08:02:34 PM

Tax the lower class, not the upper class. Reaganomics, my boy.

You can quit being smug, "my boy". Earlier you were complaining about taxes and now you're saying that the lower class should be taxed. Totally works out because they make enough money, rite. Sit down.

Quote from: TheChaosCarrier on January 11, 2013, 08:21:39 PM

it gives assloads of money to the government.

Not assloads, really. It gives some more but not really enough to like fix our economy.

The whole point of not extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy is that it just isn't necessary, there is no real reason to extend them because it's not like they need the money to survive considering they make so much of it. It's NOT for the purpose of trying to fix the economy, but there's no real justification for keeping them.

Quote from: TheChaosCarrier on January 11, 2013, 08:21:39 PM

Yeah, it's a purely socialist idea, but at this point it's probably our best bet to help our economy even more. Nick is right, the economy isn't as bad as the media makes it out to be, but it's not entirely favorable compared to other countries. Our per capita GPD proves that.

The only economy I can think of that is going much faster than ours is China, and that's because they are our economic partner practically.

BlockoCrafter · January 11, 2013, 08:25:15 PM

Quote from: TheChaosCarrier on January 11, 2013, 08:21:39 PM

Because (and yet I used to believe in this silly idea) taxing everyone the exact same will do nothing. Taxing the lower middle class or blue-collar will only hurt us at this point.
We need to tax the rich because of the fact that they make stuff loads more money than we do. $400,000 a year.
If you taxed that to double-digit rates and collected that tax from every single upper classman with that income, it gives assloads of money to the government.

You only argued part of it. What about the worker's jobs? They'd earn less, even become laid off, if their boss gets taxed highly.

Nonnel · January 11, 2013, 08:39:26 PM

Let's do brown townysis.
Let's say this happened: Higher class taxes are lowered, lower class taxes are raised.
Yes, the lower class will give more of their money to the government.
Higher class now has more of their well deserved money, can make more factories (or whatever they're selling/manufacturing),
This makes more jobs.
More jobs == Less unemployment.
Less unemployment == More spending.
More spending == Companies with more money
Companies with more money == Higher wages.
Higher wages == More spending.
More spending == Better economy.
Better economy == Less debt.
Less debt == More people with money.
More people with money == More spending.
More spending == better economy.
And so on, and so forth.

Lets do another.
Let's say this happened: Lower class taxes are lowered, Higher class taxes are raised.
The higher class, who own large corporations, would have to lay off workers, or have them earn less. They may have to close their factories (or store or whatever), which will cause mass lay-offs, just to cope with this.
Less money == More unemployment.
More unemployment == Less money to companies.
Less money to companies == Lower, lower wages.
And then everyone's out of a job and on welfare.

Kalphiter · January 11, 2013, 08:41:16 PM

Quote from: Nonnel on January 11, 2013, 08:39:26 PM

Higher class now has more of their well deserved money, can make more factories (or whatever they're selling/manufacturing),
This makes more jobs.

No.

Mega-Bear · January 11, 2013, 08:43:50 PM

Trickle down economies sound good on paper but the upper class has a strange tendency of sitting on their cash rather than using it for the greater good.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I'm very moderate and am, of course, in support of low taxation, but trickle down economics aren't very good in my opinion.

TheChaosCarrier · January 11, 2013, 08:46:13 PM

Quote from: Nonnel on January 11, 2013, 08:39:26 PM

Higher class now has more of their well deserved money, can make more factories (or whatever they're selling/manufacturing),
This makes more jobs.

LOL

Quote from: Kalphiter on January 11, 2013, 08:41:16 PM

No.

Kearn · January 11, 2013, 08:48:02 PM

Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 11, 2013, 08:43:50 PM

Trickle-down economies sound good on paper but the upper class has a strange tendency of sitting on their cash rather than using it for the greater good.

why is that a bad thing? they have just as much a right to put their money in the bank

if they truly are sitting on it then the rules of deflation apply

Quote from: TheChaosCarrier on January 11, 2013, 08:46:13 PM

LOL

so people who build their businesses and expand don't deserve their money? great job A+

Wynd_Fox · January 11, 2013, 08:49:56 PM

The people who worked hard for their money deserve it, but inheritance is a ridiculous concept.