Poll

Support right to bear arms

yes
129 (62.6%)
no
24 (11.7%)
i don't care
19 (9.2%)
i live in the uk
9 (4.4%)
ég dont vita hvaða byssa
25 (12.1%)

Total Members Voted: 206

Author Topic: Do you support the second amendment?  (Read 17247 times)

ITT: A bunch of Libertarian "The Government is evil!" "down with tyranny!" "They're all Communists!" D-Bags, who can't see sense because of the veil of "patriotism" around their thick skulls.

Hey mang, I'm about as liberal as they come and I'm cool with the second amendment.

Hey mang, I'm about as liberal as they come and I'm cool with the second amendment.
thank god
i was about to "cut" my "spending" all over you if you know what i mean

Hey mang, I'm about as liberal as they come and I'm cool with the second amendment.
Take your Tax Free Government and stuff somewhere else then. Maybe somewhere like central africa, so you can see that anarchy it's a good idea, and that people can't be trusted to do anything on their own.

those who dont think we should have guns are those with nothing to protect lol.

maybe some of us dont use banks, and have heaps of gold and silver. maybe calling the police dosnt protect me or the stash lol. its not acceptable to allow burglars to steal things. for many people, possessions are their livelihood.
or maybe people have familys to protect.

just having a knife, or knowing karate sounds fine and dandy until you realize they wont save your life.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 09:04:14 PM by Bisjac »

the real debate should be what guns are necessary to hunt or OFFEND with.
I could see Hunting Rifles (duh) or Shotguns for hunting. Stuff like Subs or LMG's wouldn't be so great for sports.
those who dont think we should have guns are those with nothing to protect lol.

maybe some of us dont use banks, and have heaps of gold and silver. maybe calling the police dosnt protect me or the stash lol. its not acceptable to allow burgers to steal things. for many people, possessions are their livelihood.
or maybe people have familys to protect.

just having a knife, or knowing karate sounds fine and dandy until you realize they wont safe your life.
Yeah, pretty much.

Take your Tax Free Government and stuff somewhere else then. Maybe somewhere like central africa, so you can see that anarchy it's a good idea, and that people can't be trusted to do anything on their own.

Wtf are you talking about man...

i think he is implying that liberals are all about less taxes?
even though historically they tax the forget out of us.


im not sure lol

but he thinks the only systems that can exist are
A: extreme government control
or
B: no government at all


because hes classic brainwashed lol. or cant open a history book.

i think he is implying that liberals are all about less taxes?
even though historically they tax the forget out of us.


im not sure lol

but he thinks the only systems that can exist are
A: extreme government control
or
B: no government at all


because hes classic brainwashed lol. or cant open a history book.
I think you nailed that. A good balance of power and freedom is what our country needs. If taxes get cut, businesses won't close, and employees won't have to worry about lacking money, if they work.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 09:15:58 PM by BlockoCrafter »


I am fine with the idea of having a second amendment since it is logical to have an amendment between one and three but I am not okay with the wording that was written 200 years ago and made sense then but not now. If people want to have guns then they should write an amendment that says "we should have guns" instead of "a Militia is important for the Security of a State."

For example, we could ban guns entirely and only allow people to have swords and technically fulfill the requirements of the law since it doesn't say "the people have the right to bear ALL and ANY arms." While a gun is a type of arm, we don't allow people to have cruise missiles just lying around, which are also a type of arm, so clearly there is a legal precedent for allowing some arms and not others. Furthermore, we could argue that "the people" was referring to "the people of the Militia," and then define the "militia" as anything we want, such as "just the military and police," "people with a certain surname," or "nobody."

Finally, the amendment itself is logically unsound. Here is the text, for reference:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The premise of the argument is that a well regulated [citizen] militia is necessary for the security of the state, and therefore we should have a citizen militia. However, it is obviously false that the having a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of the state, since it is clearly evident that there are countries that have made guns illegal or strictly controlled for citizens but are also clearly secure states.

Having read through the amendments, the second amendment appears to be the only one written as a persuasive argument. I have no idea why it was written like this. It's hardly relevant if the amendment is logically sound or not, since the logical soundness of an amendment has no impact on it's legality (it is the law regardless). It is interesting fact though, and it's also a pretty silly thing for the Constitution of the United States to do.

It could easily be resolved by dropping the argumentative nature of the amendment, which would have no legal impact whatsoever on the ability of people to own guns and would also clear up one of the previous ambiguities regarding militias.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 09:21:15 PM by Wedge »

Take your Tax Free Government and stuff somewhere else then. Maybe somewhere like central africa, so you can see that anarchy it's a good idea, and that people can't be trusted to do anything on their own.

libertarianism is not anarchy please take your msnbc-inspired liberal authoritarian talking points somewhere else

Libertarism is more of a moderate thing. Communism is far left wing, Facism is far right wing. Also anarchy and socialism are on the left wing.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 09:23:56 PM by Harm94 »

Idk, I always thought anarchy would be radical libertarianism, seeing as libertarians want maximum economic and personal freedoms and little government involvement, and anarchy is literally as free from the government as you can get.


i love how everyone ignored Wedge's post