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Author Topic: Nations at War - Closing Time!  (Read 241048 times)

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After the alliance with Conservatia, people riot. 3 are killed in the town square of Carritas Bay, and the Bay Snakes arrest 20 in the countryside. Many peoples passports are stolen when they try to enter Conservatia, by an anti-Conservatian gang named the Lone Wolves. The Conservatian Ministry, the Conservatorium, decides to go into an all-out war with the Lone Wolves. The Lone Wolves' leader, the Daggerfield Jim Kahl, was killed the same night and the Lone Wolves were disbanded. The conflict was resolved immediately.

Why would we have any biff with Muslim returning?  UoU is purely a defensive nation.  Don't fall victim to Swat's propaganda, because he has some crazy grudge against me.

And when have I powergamed?  I am one of the world superpowers.  If you think I should have had more trouble with some ill-trained and ill-equipped rebels, you have something wrong in your mind.

Why would we have any biff with Muslim returning?  UoU is purely a defensive nation.  Don't fall victim to Swat's propaganda, because he has some crazy grudge against me.

And when have I powergamed?  I am one of the world superpowers.  If you think I should have had more trouble with some ill-trained and ill-equipped rebels, you have something wrong in your mind.

But, if I recall the countries national defense fought back along side the rebels and should have turned your stuff into a pile of mush. And, if I recall again, they weren't that ill equipped.

And if you're only a defensive country your soldiers won't have that much experience in combat in comparison to offensive countries, such as myself. Thus your soldiers will be likely more prompted to making mistakes which may cost them their own, or their comrades lives. Training is one thing, but experience is another; And a angry mass of armed civilians is enough to frighten any soldier who hasn't seen combat because his only job is to defend his country, not kill for it.

And I, personally, can point out two or so pages worth of powergame from you. Superpower or not, plethora put a rule in place that both sides with face casualties, which is funny how you ignored Swat during the mass erinamese riots and just took all the land.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 03:38:17 AM by grunterdb1951 »

I let you know of defensive measures of the blockade, and there were features that were existant, explained and unexplained that were present.  Sonar detection on destroyers and infrared cameras on satellites were present.  Ignored.  Longbow-type railguns deterring an invading force.  Ignored.  ETOIs and SM-Vs on defensive mode to auto-intercept when a threat is detected.  Ignored.  Anti-missile missiles on ships.  Ignored.  CIWS present on ships.  Ignored.  District and State Marshal deserters in rebel ranks frequently.  Ignored.  Stolen DEW.  Ignored.  Stolen sub-orbital spy planes and strike planes.  Ignored.  Frequent air patrols over East Erinaum, including Taiwaan.  Ignored.  Took possession of Medusa.  Ignored.

Like hell you powergamed.
Like hell the rebels were undertrained and under equipped.
Like hell I have something wrong in my head.

Like seriously try to whitewash it all you want.  What happened happened.

And back to the rebellion in West Erinaum.

Hidden advocates of the liberation.  "Police find and deport."
People get angry over that.  "No, they calm down."
People riot.  "Missionaries are sent and people stop rioting."
People peacefully protest.  "Mass deportations of over 500 million people."
Peaceful protest happens in a public square advocating the right to petition the government for independence.  "Deported each and every one of them."
People wear purple and black arm bands to voice their opinion on the political situation.  "Those seen with the arm bands are deported."
In desperation, attempts to unite with E. Erinaum to be free of UOU.  "Denied to recognize transaction."
Liberationist parties formed, mostly for peaceful protest.  "All disbanded and deported."
Liberationists begin campaigning and advocating to Utahns, gaining some ground.  "Liberation movement comes to a complete halt and everyone becomes happy."

And back to some of the causes:

W. Erinaum wants to be independent.  "Annex them."
Want to prevent the discovery of Erinamese royalty.  "Let E. Erinaum investigate." (In context of the last two, W. Erinaum resented UOU twice for screwing them over.)
Wants to have rights in government.  "Denied."
Wants to reform its internal systems and laws in its own way.  "Denied."
Wants to continue stable economy.  "Influx of Utahns, rapidly doubling the population."  (Causes a lot of poverty.)

Grudge?  Yes.  Why?  You gave me stuffton of reasons why you are not to be trusted.  I'd rather trust my future children to a sociopath than you.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 03:57:17 AM by SWAT One »

If memory serves Belsnia broke off that alliance when he saved NTA.

Now, as per your request, a little iron fisted totalitarian OPing.
SHUT UP!
Swat, you left; you have no power here anymore.  You're complaining over crap that happened in the past which will not be altered.  If you want to rebuild, remake Erinaum or make a new nation in a couple days once a couple of the inactive nations fail to check in (atm Klevinstein, Kishy, Ragin).  You yourself powergame a lot; Medusa which cannot be undercut because none of us can possibly "understand how it works", your attempt to make intercontinental railguns, railgun miniguns, "complete annihilation" of Yaslovakian rebels, finding "all" the rebel camps with sonar and such, claiming that a bunch of rebels, even if some have military experience, would be capable of operating complicated planes, overrunning Taiwan, and defeating a well trained and organized military to name a few examples.  Now, Lance's actions were, yes, unreasonable, and if you want to put him up in front of the firing squad, that's your business, but you ought to be right there with him.  Now, please take a two day break, get some sleep, and come back when you've cooled off and are ready to either RP or be constructive about the future instead of bitter about the past.

Want me to tell you how Medusa works?  It disguises itself as pieces of programs or as programs themselves, like a virus, but in little pieces, and hidden.  These files change their directory several times every second, recode themselves to form more formidable programs, migrate to other devices, or are stored in the cloud.  Medusa is encrypted by standard encryption and by changing number bases millions of times.  Its code is difficult to crack because of that.  Its files stand as sentries.  Any attempt to read it or attack it is recorded by the stray files and attacked to better slow the attack down or to gather a lot of data, possibly tracing it to its source to attack.  Any attack by Medusa is strengthened by these files providing a gateway.  Think of a pitcher plant.  Hacking is done over airwaves, landlines, or any other transference method, and the files can be assembled or disassembled at the call of Greater Medusa in East Erinaum.  It sows its seed across the world and tells it when to rain.  How did I get this technology?  Over a century of assembling it deep in the Vålderesk underground.  Over a century of engineering this leviathan of a computer, or rather, network.

How to defeat it?  Don't use technology.  What you don't have can't be stolen.  It's a double-edged sword.  That's why Medusa is difficult to overcome.  In the name of balance, I let Scimitar do its role, and will always let balance occur should the circumstances be within reason.  Mystery solved.  Ask blazer for confirmation that I didn't make this up on the spot.  Trade secret gone global.

-snip-
You seem to be quite keen with putting the blame on me.  I'm not reentering this RP as an active participant for the sole reason of its moderation.  I'm going to be blunt.  Just step it up.  Smart guys cover their ass, and that's precisely what I did in the RP, but when fools start casting their dice, and the only thing by which to follow is their word, there is nothing to gain when their word becomes reality.  "Figure it out amongst yourselves" is no help when a roleplay is ridden with ignorance.

Even at the introduction of Gravitanium, I had gone overboard, and HerpaDerp had stopped me.  What if he didn't and my ignorant little 15-year old mind went rampant?  Even now, I am rethinking the concept of xanionic matter and am putting more and more limitations on it.

I took the training of the Utahn military into account, and as grunter said, their training focus.  I blockaded them so that they couldn't settle down and fight harder.  I put up defenses so that they would not even come close to achieving their goal.  I gave them leeway and let myself take a few losses despite thick defenses.  The forces never got Medusa fully up-and-running.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was at 40-60% capacity.  I allowed time between actions so that it would be "fair."  Go ahead and say "nice guys finish last" but I tried to keep the RP balanced as much as I could, according to your "you must take losses" rule.  I think it's a bit shameful that I had more of a part in moderation while you watched from the sidelines and said that my actions were unacceptable.

I had stated early on that district marshals had begun to be loyal to their districts, and not the State authority.  The State authority fell apart, and divided amongst the districts, deserted, or resorted to defending Medusa.

If you don't believe me, then that's fine, and the roleplay will continue as is, but I do not stand alone in my opinions, and I know that there are at least four here who believe me, and only grunter is voicing his opinion on it.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 08:23:38 AM by SWAT One »

Now, please take a two day break, get some sleep, and come back when you've cooled off and are ready to either RP or be constructive about the future instead of bitter about the past.

I don't get why you guys complain.  If I'm doing such a horrible job, don't tell me about it, do better.  I have no way to stop any of you from leaving the RP and/or starting your own.  So for the umpteenth time: If I'm such a horrible host, do better yourself.  Go ahead and leave, boycott the RP, start you own nation RP.  If you want something done right, do it yourself; but don't come complaining to me because you won't do it yourself.  But until you do better, I don't want to hear it.  Sound fair to you and your silent majority, Swat?
« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 10:26:51 AM by Plethora »

I don't get why you guys complain.  If I'm doing such a horrible job, don't tell me about it, do better.  I have no way to stop any of you from leaving the RP and/or starting your own.  So for the umpteenth time: If I'm such a horrible host, do better yourself.  Go ahead and leave, boycott the RP, start you own nation RP.  If you want something done right, do it yourself; but don't come complaining to me because you won't do it yourself.  But until you do better, I don't want to hear it.  Sound fair to you and your silent majority, Swat?

This isn't about you doing a horrible job. You're not doing your job to begin with, rather you're telling the populace to do it themselves. Which isn't their job. Because you know, it's your job as the host. The only time you decide to use the powers you're obligated to use to maintain order and enforce rules is when someone calls you out on not doing any of that, and even then you don't do anything worth while other than defend yourself with the same argument of, "If you don't like it, do a better job". And that's really getting old now, come on.

Seriously guys?  A nation RP shouldn't need a moderator!  The best moderator is one that you never see.  People should be able to check themselves and each other without causing pages and pages of argument.  It should just be "dude, that continental railgun seems pretty OP" and then "yeah you're probably right, I take it back".  The problem is we have a bunch of people, myself included, that all think they have are the most powerful.  If we all would RP right, plethora would need to do nothing.  So get off his back guys lol

And swat, I can use the exact same argument for you.  I had every single one of the technologies that you did.  Did you have any trouble claiming that you ripped my navy to pieces?  Not at all!  The thing is, we both powergamed to account for the other's powergaming.  So we share the blame, stop shoving it all onto me.


Seriously guys?  A nation RP shouldn't need a moderator!

Okay, what? Are you handicapped?

A nation RP does in fact need a moderator for this very reason. It is the moderator who maintains order and enforces rules, and makes sure people don't be complete forgetwads and start spewing out ridiculous and stupid stuff that goes beyond the realm of realism.

People should be able to check themselves and each other without causing pages and pages of argument.  It should just be "dude, that continental railgun seems pretty OP" and then "yeah you're probably right, I take it back". Whether it's overpowered or not shouldn't be a concern, if it's possible (which it is) and they put enough time for development into it they by all means have the right to access said technology so long as no barrier is in affect that restricts them from doing so.  The problem is we have a bunch of people, myself included, that all think they have are the most powerful. I don't know what gave you the idea you're the most powerful. A) You have hardly even begun to flesh out your military specs-- Hell, your specs in general. B) For the amount of land you have, your population is quite low and this is due to the fact you've been deporting stuff tons of people, which I've been generously allowing into my country  If we all would RP right, plethora would need to do nothing.  So get off his back guys lol So stop loving powergaming, and it's still his job to enforce rules and make people, like yourself, roleplay correctly.

And swat, I can use the exact same argument for you.  I had every single one of the technologies that you did.  Did you have any trouble claiming that you ripped my navy to pieces?  Not at all!  The thing is, we both powergamed to account for the other's powergaming.  So we share the blame, stop shoving it all onto me. You pretty much forced him to powergame with the amount of unrealistic bullstuff you've been dropping onto this thread, and I'll simply leave it at that. Surely you can figure out the rest?

I have a population over 6 billion, and I haven't deported anyone except for the time of the Erinaum crCIA.  Stop being an idiot.

You're the one who has no room to talk.  Your nation has been around for ten years.  You're not even close to being a world power.  If plethora should do anything to moderate, he should set you back.  You could not have this powerful military that you think you have.

I have a population over 6 billion, and I haven't deported anyone except for the time of the Erinaum crCIA.  Stop being an idiot. Your nation post contradicts your claims, and considering your laws, realistically the family and friends of those whom were deported would question the authority of their government, and they too would be deported. Thus you caused yourself a mass loss of population and successfully lowered your own reputation, and I took in deportees, thus gaining population and reputation amongst the populace who questioned your authority. You don't have nearly the population you claim you do because of this as the Erinaumese would have made up a great amount of your population, which I had gained. Realistically you should be in ruin. I advise you to look in a mirror for a good ten minutes before calling me an idiot again.

You're the one who has no room to talk.  Your nation has been around for ten years.  You're not even close to being a world power.  If plethora should do anything to moderate, he should set you back.  You could not have this powerful military that you think you have. I have plenty of room to talk, I inherited the highly advanced side of Erinaum, and most of their major citys. I'm very much close to being a world power with the technology I have within my grasp, and am currently adding upon. And don't get your hopes up, I earned everything I have legitimately and I doubt you can put up a even remotely good enough argument to prove me otherwise.


Checkmate. Oh, and don't mind me; But now that I know your 'actual' population I'll be adjusting mine to realistically accommodate what I've had really earned. And I advise you accommodate your own population to show what you've lost.

You can't go ahead assuming that since I deported some rebels that an entire populace would follow them.  That is completely ridiculous.  You need to realize that you're completely ridiculous in that assumption.

And if you are so powerful because you inherited erinaum tech, then you still can't hold a candle to UoU.  We inherited all of erinaum and their tech, plus all of our own tech.  And our military has had just as much experience as you, so you can't play that card.

You are the one who needs a mirror.

You can't go ahead assuming that since I deported some rebels that an entire populace would follow them. I can, because that's what any normal, properly thinking person would do. And I doubt the erinaumese are a bunch of psychos and sociopaths, they're human.  That is completely ridiculous.  You need to realize that you're completely ridiculous in that assumption. Not really, it's completely natural as a matter of fact. Why? Because they'll be feeling they are being oppressed and will be angered that their loved ones and friends are being sent away because of an opinion. And whether they leave on their own or not, their opinion would change and thus they as well would be deported. It's hardly ridiculous, it's only human. You need to realize that you're completely idiotic for thinking the opposite. Come on, come up with a better argument than this.

And if you are so powerful because you inherited erinaum tech, then you still can't hold a candle to UoU.  We inherited all of erinaum and their tech, plus all of our own tech.  And our military has had just as much experience as you, so you can't play that card. All their tech have patent locks on them which I am currently in possession of, as I am in control of Medusa. My troops are also specifically trained to be ruthless and to not question orders, and quite a bit more. Reading my nation post every once in a while would clue you in on this. And I actually can play that card, mostly because of my countries backstory. Which is completely, legitimate. Conservatia, back when it was a collection of nation states, were savages and had to be unified under on banner through years of blood-shed. Their military doesn't differ any differently from before. They can and will kill as easily, why? Because they're specifically trained to do so.

You are the one who needs a mirror. Really? Is that all you've got? Come on, I actually had some hope in you for a second or two that you could muster up enough braincells to come up with a at least amusing comeback.

tbh its far from their land, color it back if it's really necessary
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