Do you think we should increase funding for NASA?

[ultimamax]

Yup

In case you didn't find the sarcasm in my text. Our military certainly isn't a waste though IMO.

i agree. i'm not saying "CHOP THE MILITARY BUDGET IN HALF, GIVE IT TO NASA!!" i'm saying our military spending is excessive.

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[Isolation]

hey uh handicap

the atomic bomb was dropped via plane

not sure how the forget it fits into the space program
America doesn't need orbital bombardment, we have enough nuclear ICBM's to destroy the world 5 times over, and I'm not sure how orbital weaponry fits into the NASA space program. That's military funding, and if the military WANTED to develop orbital weaponry, they'd have it done by tomorrow.

You're denying the expanding of humanities horizons because you think America has some sort of global domination plan. You're loving delusional.

First off, why don't you just calm down a little bit. You're getting a little aggravated.  Second off, I'm going to ask you to read what I said again but slowly this time as it's apparent the way I word things surpasses your meagre IQ. At any rate, I'm going to explain it again for you.

It's a well known fact the atomic bomb was dropped using a plane. It was a VERY risky operation that could have been foiled easily and with today's radar technology would just not be possible. In order to pull off a stunt like that the technology has to go further - into space. This is how it fits into the space program.

You said yourself that America has no need for Orbital Bombardment. This is actually false. Ever heard of the phrase 'war is peace'? America has the largest military budget by MILES because overwhelming military might is the only way to have things your way. As America would have us believe, peace is their way. Despite countless wars in the middle east. More and more countries are becoming nuclear capable with countries such as Iran being able to field their own ICBMS in the future. Obviously countries such as Iraq inevitably getting weapons capable of real mass destruction scares the west. It even scares me, and it should scare you.

The human population is growing at an uncontrollable rate and world poverty is decreasing. This means the rate of consumption of natural resources such as oil will sky rocket in the foreseeable future. As the search for renewable sustainable energies has all but failed many first world countries as we know today will eventually fall to this. This will force America to put its foot down once again and declare a percentage of those resources its own. However, the time for such actions will be rather far into the future and many other countries will be far more militarily capable than they already are at this point with China and India expanding at such massive rates it would not be surprising if America advanced it's military strength with a weapon with otherworldly strength - this is where NASA comes in.

NASA is a government funded agency and you could go so far as to say it is actually a government agency. If the American government or military wanted to put a weapon into orbit or space - the whole world would go loving insane. Although that has never really stopped America (see Guantanamo Bay).

It's laughable that you think loving America is the definition of 'humanities horizons'. You're the one who's delusional. You think if NASA just by a miracle cracks the secret which allows them to project objects near or at the speed of light they'll share it with the rest of humanity? I can't believe this what you're saying. If a kid gets a new shiny blue bike does he share it with all the other kids? Of course he loving doesn't. He keeps it for himself and exploits it. This is apparent in ALL AREAS OF LIFE. This is so painfully obvious it's stupid how this hasn't occured to you. Declassified documents have shown that America had world domination plans before the second world war. Besides, they don't even loving need a plan - there only has to be an opportunity.

I guess you could say that I'm an idiot and ask me what else we're supposed to loving do apart from stay on the same planet and go extinct. Humanity however, will run it's eventual course.

[Tyler66]

And how long will space be there for us to explore it?
10 years? 10 centuries? 10 millennia? No. It will always be there. So it doesn't matter if we can't get out in the next couple decades or so.
Space will always be there and it isn't going anywhere.

1. saying "we need to cure cancer" is like saying "we need to cure disease". the goal of cancer research is prevention/detection.
2. NASA will create jobs and inspire children to enter STEM fields, which would help our economy, and could lead to technologies that help the earth in return.
3. in the process of researching how to get farther than the moon with a manned capsule, NASA will likely invent more efficient ways of getting to new places in space.
4. in the process of researching new missions in general, NASA will create technologies that benefit the earth as it has before.

Okay, lets go into space right now without a complete/most understanding about our human biology.

By the time we are able cure cancers and treat diseases all together, chances are we will have the technology and information needed to advance in space. Learning more about our biology will help us survive in space longer than what we can now.
For example: Keeping people in space without bone deterioration over time, less fluid and food consumption while maintaining a healthy diet, and protecting ourselves from potentially harmful organisms on other celestial bodies.
If we go ahead right now and try go places beyond our moon or try to put man in space for longer periods of time, we risk bringing back or not getting back at all; dead pieces of shriveled fruit in million dollar suits.

[Harm94]

Thank god Russia got its arse in gear and begun development of the same calibur.

You mean the nukes designs that were stolen by a few spies that defected to the USSR.

It's sad how many of you are misinformed. The United States Military bombed and killed thousands of innocent people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They don't give forgets about bombing someone else. The only thing stopping them is being bombed back, and for you Americans - they couldn't give two forgets if the American people were bombed. They care about their government and infrastructure It would cost too much to actually be bombed and a large percentage of their military capability would be gone.

Like the Japs were any better. Ever heard of the Butan Death march where Japanese soldiers would randomly cut the heads off captured US soldiers with Katanas, The Rape of Nanking, Sook Ching massacre, Unit 731, ect.

To call the United States the only evil empire is absurd. Were civilians killed by both sides yes, intentional? Maybe, maybe not. Lot's of Western powers have committed violent acts against indigenous peoples. Are we bad, sure. It's in our nature, but we can evolve out of it if wanted to. Is the US Government still doing bad things? Yes. So are the other countries in the world.

[ultimamax]

First off, why don't you just calm down a little bit. You're getting a little aggravated.  Second off, I'm going to ask you to read what I said again but slowly this time as it's apparent the way I word things surpasses your meagre IQ. you're an starfish At any rate, I'm going to explain it again for you.

It's a well known fact the atomic bomb was dropped using a plane. It was a VERY risky operation that could have been foiled easily and with today's radar technology would just not be possible. In order to pull off a stunt like that the technology has to go further - into space. This is how it fits into the space program. implying the methods with which we drop bombs hasn't improved in the last 80 years

You said yourself that America has no need for Orbital Bombardment. This is actually false. Ever heard of the phrase 'war is peace'? America has the largest military budget by MILES because overwhelming military might is the only way to have things your way. As America would have us believe, peace is their way. Despite countless wars in the middle east. More and more countries are becoming nuclear capable with countries such as Iran being able to field their own ICBMS in the future. Obviously countries such as Iraq inevitably getting weapons capable of real mass destruction scares the west. It even scares me, and it should scare you. all the more reason to fund space exploration; we can get humans living somewhere where they are not constantly threatened by nuclear explosions. nothing in this paragraph explains why we need orbital bombardment, nor why we need NASA to put one up there.

The human population is growing at an uncontrollable rate and world poverty is decreasing. which side are you arguing for?? more reasons to get off this rock! correct me if i'm wrong, but many countries are seeing declines in birth rates as well. This means the rate of consumption of natural resources such as oil will sky rocket in the foreseeable future. NASA could present the solution to efficient renewable energies. if not, we can still invest in other agencies making new methods of collecting energy possible. this is not a guaranteed problem. As the search for renewable sustainable energies has all but failed many first world countries as we know today will eventually fall to this. i've heard great things about thorium. This will force America to put its foot down once again and declare a percentage of those resources its own. However, the time for such actions will be rather far into the future and many other countries will be far more militarily capable than they already are at this point with China and India expanding at such massive rates it would not be surprising if America advanced it's military strength with a weapon with otherworldly strength - this is where NASA comes in. news flash: we already have weapons of "otherworldly strength". america has enough nukes to take out every country in the world. as long as this is true, war isn't likely.

NASA is a government funded agency and you could go so far as to say it is actually a government agency. If the American government or military wanted to put a weapon into orbit or space - the whole world would go loving insane. Although that has never really stopped America (see Guantanamo Bay).

It's laughable that you think loving America is the definition of 'humanities horizons'. You're the one who's delusional. You think if NASA just by a miracle cracks the secret which allows them to project objects near or at the speed of light they'll share it with the rest of humanity? Did you know, by federal law, all discoveries and innovations found through NASA must be considered completely free to public? For example, it is legal to re-produce memory foam, an invention of NASA's as well as many, many other innovations we all use every day. Your tax dollars finally pay for something worthwhile, things you use everyday. I can't believe this what you're saying. If a kid gets a new shiny blue bike does he share it with all the other kids? Of course he loving doesn't. okay but it lets other countries realize what is possible through this research. for example, once nuclear capabilities were displayed by the USA, other countries were testing within two decades. He keeps it for himself and exploits it. this is mere conjecture This is apparent in ALL AREAS OF LIFE. This is so painfully obvious it's stupid how this hasn't occured to you. Declassified documents have shown that America had world domination plans before the second world war. Besides, they don't even loving need a plan - there only has to be an opportunity.

I guess you could say that I'm an idiot and ask me what else we're supposed to loving do apart from stay on the same planet and go extinct. Humanity however, will run it's eventual course.

And how long will space be there for us to explore it?
10 years? 10 centuries? 10 millennia? No. It will always be there. So it doesn't matter if we can't get out in the next couple decades or so. this logic is flawed. who's to say we can't research all these things at once? it's not like the entire world has to focus on one issue at a time; we're combating all of them at once. space is one of these many issues, and given the miniscule part of the budget required to do all these amazing things that NASA does, why can't we invest in them now?
Space will always be there and it isn't going anywhere. see above
Okay, lets go into space right now without a complete/most understanding about our human biology. we already know space's effects on humans. and it's not like we'll be abandoning our research on human biology so we can richard around in space.

By the time we are able cure cancers and treat diseases all together, chances are we will have the technology and information needed to advance in space. Learning more about our biology will help us survive in space longer than what we can now. how will researching curing and preventing diseases help in space? by funding NASA, they'll research how to keep humans in space longer on their own.
For example: Keeping people in space without bone deterioration over time, less fluid and food consumption while maintaining a healthy diet, and protecting ourselves from potentially harmful organisms on other celestial bodies. if NASA had a manned project which would be in space for a while, they'd investigate this on their own. why not get the research done now?
If we go ahead right now and try go places beyond our moon or try to put man in space for longer periods of time, we risk bringing back or not getting back at all; dead pieces of shriveled fruit in million dollar suits. they know their limits. you assume that by funding them, they'll send people into space knowing they're not coming back. wtf?

It's sad how many of you are misinformed. The United States Military bombed and killed thousands of innocent people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They don't give forgets about bombing someone else. The only thing stopping them is being bombed back, and for you Americans - they couldn't give two forgets if the American people were bombed. what the forget are you on about? without americans, there is no america. with no civilian population, the government has no power.They care about their government and infrastructure It would cost too much to actually be bombed and a large percentage of their military capability would be gone.

Now imagine an American weapon in space, untouchable by any other nation. America has full control as well as the most powerful military on Earth. Checkmate. what do you mean "untouchable"? do you mean "completely vulnerable"?  there's no reason other countries can't station their own death cannons up there, then we just have a stalemate again.

Although funnily enough America colonizing Mars would probably give them motive to bomb someone because for forgets sake they're on Mars and untouchable. Even if these are unrealistic scenarios and you think it's stupid and they're improbable. It's still a standing fact that any nation that has power that would make them pretty much immortal is a very, very bad thing. so if humans expand to other planets, they'll bomb planet earth for no reason. got it.

Also, give me a source for that 'law' of yours that prohibits any space weaponry.

[|Orange|]

You think if NASA just by a miracle cracks the secret which allows them to project objects near or at the speed of light they'll share it with the rest of humanity? I can't believe this what you're saying. If a kid gets a new shiny blue bike does he share it with all the other kids? Of course he loving doesn't. He keeps it for himself and exploits it.

NASA shared the space shuttle program and is working with other space agencies on the ISS. Don't think that NASA is a greedy little bitch.

[Isolation]

You mean the nukes designs that were stolen by a few spies that defected to the USSR.
Like the Japs were any better. Ever heard of the Butan Death march where Japanese soldiers would randomly cut the heads off captured US soldiers with Katanas, The Rape of Nanking, Sook Ching massacre, Unit 731, ect.

To call the United States the only evil empire is absurd. Were civilians killed by both sides yes, intentional? Maybe, maybe not. Lot's of Western powers have committed violent acts against indigenous peoples. Are we bad, sure. It's in our nature, but we can evolve out of it if wanted to. Is the US Government still doing bad things? Yes. So are the other countries in the world.

I've heard of them yes, what the Japs did in China was horrific and I agree they're no better. I'm not taking sides here and only criticising America because it's the nation in question and the only reason I used Nagasaki and Hiroshima was to show that the shining United States is not as good as some people think; in order to give ground to my argument. What the difference is between the US and Japan is that the US has the capability to these things on an unprecedented scale already, and giving them more means to become an invincible military power is not a good idea.

However, your point is very valid and I completely agree with you.

[Twenky]

hey cool didn't know everyone is an expert here

[Fredulus]

nasa laid the foundation, space exploration should be taken over by private corporations and nasa should spend more time on asteroids and exoplanet discovery

exoplanet discovery is pointless wtf

[Blockzillahead]

18 billion dollars a year is more than enough.

[ultimamax]

exoplanet discovery is pointless wtf

not true. if we discover planets that could sustain humans, we could keep humans alive in multiple parts of the galaxy.

[HellHound]

We have the technology to reach a distant star within a scientist's lifetime. Look up Project Orion.

[Doughboy]

not true. if we discover planets that could sustain humans, we could keep humans alive in multiple parts of the galaxy.

maybe we could meet the grox and get forgeted by them

[RaR]

First off, why don't you just calm down a little bit. You're getting a little aggravated.  Second off, I'm going to ask you to read what I said again but slowly this time as it's apparent the way I word things surpasses your meagre IQ. At any rate, I'm going to explain it again for you.

this is enough reason for everyone to never take you seriously again, but hey

It's a well known fact the atomic bomb was dropped using a plane. It was a VERY risky operation that could have been foiled easily and with today's radar technology would just not be possible. In order to pull off a stunt like that the technology has to go further - into space. This is how it fits into the space program.

Or you know, the +100 ICBM's that america already has. Do you know what an ICBM is? It's a missile that goes into space and drops a bunch of warheads on a country. Kinda like, you know, orbital bombardment?

And yeah we have B2 stealth bombers which are loaded with nuclear devices that can slip in unnoticed and land a 50 megaton nuclear weapon on your house with little to no difficulty. so no.

You said yourself that America has no need for Orbital Bombardment. This is actually false. Ever heard of the phrase 'war is peace'? America has the largest military budget by MILES because overwhelming military might is the only way to have things your way.

Oh wow
Orbital Bombardment is the only way America can have it's way? What is wrong with you?

As America would have us believe, peace is their way. Despite countless wars in the middle east. More and more countries are becoming nuclear capable with countries such as Iran being able to field their own ICBMS in the future. Obviously countries such as Iraq inevitably getting weapons capable of real mass destruction scares the west. It even scares me, and it should scare you.

I don't get it, do you want Orbital Bombardment or not? A minute ago you were saying how Orbital Bombardment is like the worst possible thing and that's why we can't have it.

The human population is growing at an uncontrollable rate and world poverty is decreasing. This means the rate of consumption of natural resources such as oil will sky rocket in the foreseeable future. As the search for renewable sustainable energies has all but failed many first world countries as we know today will eventually fall to this. This will force America to put its foot down once again and declare a percentage of those resources its own. However, the time for such actions will be rather far into the future and many other countries will be far more militarily capable than they already are at this point with China and India expanding at such massive rates it would not be surprising if America advanced it's military strength with a weapon with otherworldly strength - this is where NASA comes in.

NASA is a government funded agency and you could go so far as to say it is actually a government agency. If the American government or military wanted to put a weapon into orbit or space - the whole world would go loving insane. Although that has never really stopped America (see Guantanamo Bay).

What you've written is your fictional adaptation of world politics.

You are the literal definition of paranoid delusional. I'm guessing you just recently watched the latest GI-Joe and you think it's real. Obama isn't zartan just in-case you were scared about that too.

It's laughable that you think loving America is the definition of 'humanities horizons'. You're the one who's delusional. You think if NASA just by a miracle cracks the secret which allows them to project objects near or at the speed of light they'll share it with the rest of humanity? I can't believe this what you're saying. If a kid gets a new shiny blue bike does he share it with all the other kids? Of course he loving doesn't. He keeps it for himself and exploits it. This is apparent in ALL AREAS OF LIFE. This is so painfully obvious it's stupid how this hasn't occured to you. Declassified documents have shown that America had world domination plans before the second world war. Besides, they don't even loving need a plan - there only has to be an opportunity.

When I say 'expanding humanities horizons' I meant progressing further in scientific research. The space program has yielded incredible amounts of data and information.

If NASA could make Orbital Weapons, and if Obama wanted orbital weapons to take over the world, then why the forget hasn't he done it yet? Your argument is so riddled with holes it might as well be Swiss cheese. You're saying that NASA shouldn't have funding because it will pretty much make a fancier version of the ICBM which will cause war. Like, what in the world? Did you pass elementary school?

It's also amusing how planetary colonization, which you scoff at so much, would solve all the problems you describe in your little conspiracy.

[Irishbandit]

It is our only choice.
"The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision."