Discuss transgender people and what they think. (I identify as a lizard!)

[SeventhSandwich]

>i disagree with what you're saying and can't see the bigger picture of things
>therefore you're handicapped

You're missing the point. You aren't handicapped because I disagree with you; you're handicapped because you actually care enough about discriminating against transgendered people that you're willing to convince yourself society is going to collapse.

You're literally no better than those idiots who think that gay marriage is going to turn the US into a communist nation.

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[SlayerZ99]

i cant imagine if I was dating a "girl" who had a snake...
like wtf

id probably beat the crap out of him

[DrenDran]

you're handicapped because you actually care enough about discriminating against transgendered people

I'm not discriminating against them, just voicing my disagreement with them.
I don't think you know what "discrimination" is.

that you're willing to convince yourself society is going to collapse.

If people start to believe that they are anything they want to be, the instant they want to be it, then yeah, that's not a good thing.
You have to see the mindset as a general idea and a bigger picture.
No, I do not believe a couple traps circlejerking on 4chan are going to bring the modern world to ruins.

You're literally no better than those idiots who think that gay marriage is going to turn the US into a communist nation.

Same thing, and a stuffty ad hominem argument at that.

[Headcrab Zombie]

i cant imagine if I was dating a "girl" who had a snake...
like wtf

id probably beat the crap out of him

This has been gone over several times, and unless I missed something, there's a unanimous consensus that being deceptive about something like sits is wrong.

And that's not what this the is about

The instant they want to be it

Except people don't just wake up one day and randomly decide they want to be the other love, there gender identity has been known for years

[Night Fox]

i cant imagine if I was dating a "girl" who had a snake...
like wtf
id probably beat the crap out of him

and then you'd be charged with assault, which, depending on the state, may be considered a hate crime
there are significantly better ways to deal with things than beating the crap out of them. I'm sure you'll be a great parent

[DrenDran]

This has been gone over several times, and unless I missed something, there's a unanimous consensus that being deceptive about something like sits is wrong.

And that's not what this the is about

Yes, I understand that this 'gender idenity' thing can be a big deal for an affected person.
I have to imagine though there's a "coming out of the closet" sort of moment for them, after which they expect to be refered to as the oppisite gender, although they have not actually made any effort yet to change.


I'm not discriminating against anyone, and I don't have anything against the idea of a love change.
It's just that I think males have snakees and women have vaginas, and that shouldn't be made more complicated.

and then you'd be charged with assault, which, depending on the state, may be considered a hate crime
there are significantly better ways to deal with things than beating the crap out of them. I'm sure you'll be a great parent

Are you saying what the trap did wasn't wrong?

[SeventhSandwich]

Same thing, and a stuffty ad hominim argument at that.

You don't even know what an ad hominem fallacy is. The crux of my argument isn't that you have a negative personality trait; it's that you're vastly overblowing something(transgendered people/gender identity) that was never an issue to begin with.

You might as well just start yelling 'stop insulting me!1!'.

I'm not discriminating against them, just voicing my disagreement with them.

Sorry, but once you pull the 'collapse of society' card, you can't just claim you're having a civil disagreement with transgendered people.

You have to see the mindset as a general idea and a bigger picture.
No, I do not believe a couple traps circlejerking on 4chan are going to bring the modern world to ruins.

Okay, so instead of providing me useless platitudes about the 'bigger picture' and the 'general idea', why don't you outline a coherent sequence of events that starts at 'people care more about what people think they are than what they actually are' and ends in 'society has collapsed'?

[Headcrab Zombie]

Are you saying what the trap did wasn't wrong?

It doesn't matter whether it was or not, assault is a crime.

[SeventhSandwich]

Are you saying what the trap did wasn't wrong?

Virtually all transgendered people are transparent about their identity for this very reason.

I'm getting the sense that you really don't know any transgendered people.

[DrenDran]

It doesn't matter whether it was or not, assault is a crime.

Cool beans bro, but it still does matter.

You don't even know what an ad hominem fallacy is.

Insulting atributes of the person making the opposing argunment, rather than addressing the argument itself. Which you did by compairing me to conservative (fundimentalist?) christains and calling me handicapped. Also, I fixed the typo, but I guess that makes my argument wrong as well.

The crux of my argument isn't that you have a negative personality trait;

Yes, saying my personality trait has something to do with the argument itself is ad hominem.

it's that you're vastly overblowing something(transgendered people/gender identity) that was never an issue to begin with.

It's not like my life is dedicated to harrassing trans people.
I just made a thread on the internet about it. That's the extent to which I care.

You might as well just start yelling 'stop insulting me!1!'.

>implying traps dont do this
and no, this isn't relevant to the argument

Sorry, but once you pull the 'collapse of society' card, you can't just claim you're having a civil disagreement with transgendered people.
Okay, so instead of providing me useless platitudes about the 'bigger picture' and the 'general idea', why don't you outline a coherent sequence of events that starts at 'people care more about what people think they are than what they actually are' and ends in 'society has collapsed'.

It really seems to me a simple concept which would take a while to explain.
But clearly it's not as obvious as I had though, that was wrong of me.

I'm going to edit this post when I get a responce to that.

[Night Fox]

Are you saying what the trap did wasn't wrong?

not even close
like that's not remotely what I said
can u not read or something

[DrenDran]

As for the whole 'socicity collapsing' thing. There is a such thing as being too accepting.
If someone wants to be a woman (who is a man) they go and invest in a love change operation and the related treatments.
Likewise in the case of someone who is fat, if they wish to be healthy, they go exercise and diet.
But this kind of thinking seems to condone people "identifying" rather than "self-improving".
I guess it's not as black and white and obvious as I had hoped, but being self-conscious, knowing exactly what you are and actually changing what you don't like, is a good thing when done in moderation.

[Headcrab Zombie]

and that shouldn't be made more complicated.

The only complication here is people like you that refuse to accept something that professionals and organizations in the field have shown to exist/be a certain way

Cool beans bro, but it still does matter.

No, it doesn't at all.
The motive for committing a crime doesn't change a persons guilt at all.
They've committed a crime, and that's it.
A judge or juror or attorney isn't going to say "what the victim did was wrong, lets let this guy off free for his crime"

[DrenDran]

The only complication here is people like you that refuse to accept something that professionals and organizations in the field have shown to exist/be a certain way

Yes, they can prove that people have the mindsets of a differnet gender.
I'm not even positive that's been fully proven, but it's not even relevant.
My understanding is, there's two ways of looking at this:

1. Person has a physical problem (born with wrong chromosomes/genitals) and the right mindset.
2. Perosn has a mental illness and the right physical charateristics.

Either way, why can't it be simple?
If you happen to have an identity that's different, just fix it like you would any other phyiscal defect / mental illness.
Socicity, common sense, and the definitions or words shouldn't have to change just for you. (Refering to transloveuals)

No, it doesn't at all.
The motive for committing a crime doesn't change a persons guilt at all.
They've committed a crime, and that's it.
A judge or juror or attorney isn't going to say "what the victim did was wrong, lets let this guy off free for his crime"

That's not really what you were asked.

[Madmitten]

gender = what youve got in your torso