Author Topic: praying before you eat  (Read 25699 times)

You are not even reasoning with anything anyone puts out there.  You are just flaming it mercilessly and cussing out people who disagree with you.

What points of his didn't I refute exactly? I'll make a list of the ones he made:


Lalam said:
Openly laughing at religious people for praying isn't mockery.
Openly mocking religious people is okay as long as you think they're silly.
Earth being round is a law or theory, not a fact.
Mathematics is higher than theology.
Math disproves God.
Devil's advocates don't take sides.
Variables based on logic and their improper use to equal something that cannot exist.  Being under the impression that x+x=0 while assuming x=1

All those have been refuted. The point I'm arguing now is that Lalam24 is an ignorant asshat with a loose grasp of the English language that needs to tone down the pseudo-intellectual stink that permeates his writing.

ya im not very religious and i hate going to church but if we dont say grace it feels weird

i prefer my church services to be monastic, boring, deep in self-prayer with minimal activity, and the only singing is gregorian monks

EDIT lets all talk about our favorite forms of church services so y'all can turn the forget down
listen to this too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ElL8hdQD_4
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What points of his didn't I refute exactly? I'll make a list of the ones he made:


Lalam said:
Openly laughing at religious people for praying isn't mockery.
Openly mocking religious people is okay as long as you think they're silly.
Earth being round is a law or theory, not a fact.
Mathematics is higher than theology.
Math disproves God.
Devil's advocates don't take sides.
Variables based on logic and their improper use to equal something that cannot exist.  Being under the impression that x+x=0 while assuming x=1

All those have been refuted. The point I'm arguing now is that Lalam24 is an ignorant asshat with a loose grasp of the English language that needs to tone down the pseudo-intellectual stink that permeates his writing.
Stop taking things out of context.  I stated laughing at the sillyness of religious practices (because people decide to thank something you believe to be imaginary) at a dinner table is not mocking.  Under your logic, finding anything humorous is mockery.
Earth being round is something that's perception based.  I consider it to be a fact and would never think to refute it, but I was argued by someone who decided to state it wasn't mathematical fact, and realised that mathematical fact doesn't account for observation, only what exists and cannot and will never change.
It is, you have yet to actually refute it.
It states they aren't real, because there's nothing suggesting they are.  There is no positive variable for a deity's existence.
Playing devil's advocate means to take the side of the opposition to ensure stability in an argument.  The overall goal isn't to take sides, but the actual action does.  If you have a hard time misunderstanding this, refer to the internet.  It's a wonderful utility.
You didn't refute the equation, I don't know what you're on about.

You keep going on under the impression that you are correct even when you've yet to offer anything but speculative drivel.

On top of that, you're absolutely horible at arguing and are delusional as to your reception on this forum really is.  It's almost sad to see that you think you're on the majority's good side.

And now that it's clarified, until you start realising that bombarding people with insults in almost every line of text isn't an argument, I won't be replying.  I don't mind random insults being thrown around here and there, but the majority of your posts have been filled more ad hominem than genuine argument.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2013, 11:49:23 PM by Lalam24 »

I'll just say that I just wonder why you (Lalam) think that you need to hold religious rituals as a sort of object of humor because you don't submit to faith as a way of establishing belief. You said you aren't forced to be in a prayer on regular occasion, so why not just chill out, and maybe use the time for self reflection while other people do their ritual if you do so happen to be caught in that situation. Assuming you still will never participate (and sit in silence for 10 - 30 seconds in silence) out of free will, if they are spiteful that you aren't willing to participate (after polite-fully showing your objection, of course), I doubt their hearts are in the right place according to their faith anyways. You may be right in your belief in most cases, but humans are social creatures and holding that sense of seemingly individual superiority (by laughing at prayer personally) probably won't best serve your best interest in the end since it might incite a personal bias in you against said people because you don't agree with their belief.

Why can't we be friends
Why can't weeee be friends

If a family of christian cannibals kills a man and prepares him for dinner, is it ethical for them to thank god for the meal?

I'll just say that I just wonder why you (Lalam) think that you need to hold religious rituals as a sort of object of humor because you don't submit to faith as a way of establishing belief. You said you aren't forced to be in a prayer on regular occasion, so why not just chill out, and maybe use the time for self reflection while other people do their ritual if you do so happen to be caught in that situation. Assuming you still will never participate (and sit in silence for 10 - 30 seconds in silence) out of free will, if they are spiteful that you aren't willing to participate (after polite-fully showing your objection, of course), I doubt their hearts are in the right place according to their faith anyways. You may be right in your belief in most cases, but humans are social creatures and holding that sense of seemingly individual superiority (by laughing at prayer personally) probably won't best serve your best interest in the end since it might incite a personal bias in you against said people because you don't agree with their belief.
I'm not saying I find the prayer itself funny, I just think the concept is silly.  That's it, I'm not getting on anyone's ass about it.  It was a harmless comment about a harmless act that would've been easily laughed off by anyone I know and can easily associate with another human being.

Stop taking things out of context.  I stated laughing at the sillyness of religious practices (because people decide to thank something you believe to be imaginary) at a dinner table is not mocking.  Under your logic, finding anything humorous is mockery.

The biggest problem with your argument is that there are things that are meant to be humorous. Laughing at a joke is a response to humor, and I'm not arguing against that.

Laughing at a lifestyle choice that people take very seriously is mocking it. Even if it's a legitimately humorous one (like Scientologists eating their wives placentas) laughing at it is still mockery. Your argument that it's okay to laugh at it because you find it funny is stupid given the social context.

Earth being round is something that's perception based.

No, it isn't. The Earth being round is an absolute, irrefutable fact of the universe. If you think the Earth is flat, it's still round. Your perception has no effect on the roundness of the Earth.

It is, you have yet to actually refute it.

On what hierarchy? You've yet to establish that. Under what criteria do you place mathematics higher? It doesn't make sense to claim that mathematics is innately higher than another scientific discipline with absolutely no ties to mathematics in general. Mathematics isn't even a discipline on it's own, it's a component of dozens of other scientific areas of study which again, very few ever cross paths with theology.

It states they aren't real, because there's nothing suggesting they are.  There is no positive variable for a deity's existence.

What states? Like states of matter or sovereign states? What do you mean there's no "positive variable for a deity's existence?" Do you mean that there's no proof? Is that how you say "there's no proof of God" in autism-speak? No, there isn't any proof for God. There's evidence. If there was proof of God, he'd be proven.

Good thing you're here to tell us all what we already know.

Playing devil's advocate means to take the side of the opposition to ensure stability in an argument. 

No it means taking the side of the less-popular opinion to hopefully learn something in the process. I have no idea what you mean by "stability of an argument," but I think if an argument was unstable there would be eventual police involvement.

The overall goal isn't to take sides, but the actual action does.  If you have a hard time misunderstanding this, refer to the internet.  It's a wonderful utility.

The goal is to learn something about a subject where personal bias makes it difficult to empathize with the other party.

You didn't refute the equation, I don't know what you're on about.

It makes no loving sense. It's like saying "chicken + cow = banana" assuming chicken and cow are both fruit.

You keep going on under the impression that you are correct even when you've yet to offer anything but speculative drivel.

Do you even read what you write? You need a full time copy-editor lmfao

On top of that, you're absolutely horible at arguing and are delusional as to your reception on this forum really is.  It's almost sad to see that you think you're on the majority's good side.

How am I delusional as to what my reception is? I was received as a huge weeaboo flamer because that's what I joined as, and I don't really understand how my reception to the forum, which was years ago, is relevant to how much of an idiot you are.

ya im not very religious and i hate going to church but if we dont say grace it feels weird

Same like, I can't eat without saying some sort of quick little prayer lol

And sometimes if I'm like really starving or the food's really good, I'll say a bunch of little prayers as I eat.

If a family of christian cannibals kills a man and prepares him for dinner, is it ethical for them to thank god for the meal?
you better thank god for that man giving his life for you

*rimshot*


I'm not saying I find the prayer itself funny, I just think the concept is silly.  That's it, I'm not getting on anyone's ass about it.  It was a harmless comment about a harmless act that would've been easily laughed off by anyone I know and can easily associate with another human being.

no

I'd burst out laughing if I had to sit through it, though.

Since this is the internet and I can't judge tone, I hope you do have open minded people praying if you ever get in that situation, and that can understand that you don't think their specific prayer is silly and that you only find their responsibility and will to give thanks to a deity for good luck and fortune absurd in general as some easy joke. I might not be socially adept, but I just find the way you are stating it really weird.


can you not you damned Whore

You capitalized the mere noun representing Stocking

You recognize Her inherent authority over you, like a deity

Checkmate

I'll just say that I just wonder why you (Lalam) think that you need to hold religious rituals as a sort of object of humor because you don't submit to faith as a way of establishing belief. You said you aren't forced to be in a prayer on regular occasion, so why not just chill out, and maybe use the time for self reflection while other people do their ritual if you do so happen to be caught in that situation. Assuming you still will never participate (and sit in silence for 10 - 30 seconds in silence) out of free will, if they are spiteful that you aren't willing to participate (after polite-fully showing your objection, of course), I doubt their hearts are in the right place according to their faith anyways. You may be right in your belief in most cases, but humans are social creatures and holding that sense of seemingly individual superiority (by laughing at prayer personally) probably won't best serve your best interest in the end since it might incite a personal bias in you against said people because you don't agree with their belief.

Now if there was actual disrespectful laughing during a prayer, that would be going too far (it's like laughing during a moment of silence).  Using it as a way to state a point should be completely fine though.  If one doesn't want to look at it as thanking God, just look at is as...

...give thanks to a deity for good luck and fortune...

You can even cross out "deity" if it makes you feel better.