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so thereore the groups arent problematic, right? no, all groups like tht are extremely problematic!

Okay, here's a list of problematic groups
Christians
Muslims
Atheists
Jews
Buddhists
(insert every other religion/belief)
Police officers
Lawyers
Scientists
Young children
Gay rights activists
Men's rights activists
Equal rights activists
etc...

although i guess that would be pretty true, you are comparing the worlds biggest religions to feminist groups.

That's irrelevant. Feminist groups are also very large, but you totally dismiss them by saying that a small percentage of them represent the whole group.

Okay, here's a list of problematic groups
Christians
Muslims
Atheists
Jews
Buddhists
(insert every other religion/belief)
Police officers
Lawyers
Scientists
Young children
Gay rights activists
Men's rights activists
Equal rights activists
etc...

That's irrelevant. Feminist groups are also very large, but you totally dismiss them by saying that a small percentage of them represent the whole group.
the point you're missing is that it is far from a small percentage of the feminist movement. if you looked at the sources at all, you would know that. even if it was a small percent, the impact is huge.

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I'm sorry but these 'calculate your chance' websites are complete bullstuff. Ivy League schools have their own ways of doing admissions, and as long as you have a 3.8 GPA and an SAT score above 2100 or so, you have as good a chance as anyone.

the point you're missing is that it is far from a small percentage of the feminist movement. if you looked at the sources at all, you would know that. even if it was a small percent, the impact is huge.

The point you're missing is that it is not "far from a small percentage". It really is not.
And I'm not denying small percents of people cannot cause a huge impact. You are constantly representing an outlier to be representative of a whole group.
It's like if I took a tribal, homophobic group of a religion out of millions of people and made every member of that same religion out to be a horrible person.

The problem is that you can take all the negative examples you want, but they get in the news because they are negative, extreme, and vocal.



I'm repeating myself a lot, but you really only hinge on this one point, so...

The point you're missing is that it is not "far from a small percentage". It really is not.
And I'm not denying small percents of people cannot cause a huge impact. You are constantly representing an outlier to be representative of a whole group.
It's like if I took a tribal, homophobic group of a religion out of millions of people and made every member of that same religion out to be a horrible person.

The problem is that you can take all the negative examples you want, but they get in the news because they are negative, extreme, and vocal.



I'm repeating myself a lot, but you really only hinge on this one point, so...
the funny part is you insist you are right yet you have absolutely no sources and i have lists

come on get out your sources, the bountiful mountains of perfect feminists

edit: this is taking a while
edit again: getting pretty skeptical
edit 3: you sure you have those sources man this is taking an awfully long time
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 10:18:13 PM by Kimon² »

the funny part is you insist you are right yet you have absolutely no sources and i have lists

come on get out your sources, the bountiful mountains of perfect feminists

edit: this is taking a while
edit again: getting pretty skeptical
edit 3: you sure you have those sources man this is taking an awfully long time

Maybe people don't need to reply to you every 4 minutes

bro u best be hurrying this brother for real

The point you're missing is that it is not "far from a small percentage". It really is not.
And I'm not denying small percents of people cannot cause a huge impact. You are constantly representing an outlier to be representative of a whole group.
It's like if I took a tribal, homophobic group of a religion out of millions of people and made every member of that same religion out to be a horrible person.

The problem is that you can take all the negative examples you want, but they get in the news because they are negative, extreme, and vocal.

I'm repeating myself a lot, but you really only hinge on this one point, so...
It's not like the extremists of a group don't have their roots in the rest of the group.
Militant feminists simply take the flaws of feminism and exaggerate them, putting them before the more legitimate points.
The issue here is that the flaws were still existent in the base group, but just weren't exhibited so noticeably.

Islam for example, does indeed have it's passages in the Qu'ran which promote violence to outsiders. But more moderate adherents to the religion simply 'interpret' them less harshly and do not put priority on them.

I'd dare go so far to say, yes, Islam is flawed as a whole. (Along with most other religions.) The majority might not believe in the worse parts, but that does not mean they are no longer a part of it. The only true solution is to completely scrap the beliefs system / group and start all over again.

Examples:
Feminism + MRAs -> Egalitarianism
Islam + Christianity + Judaism -> Atheism
Traditional Racism + Affirmative Action -> Equality in hiring with actions to equalize infrastructure and opportunities for the poor
etc.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 10:27:44 PM by DrenDran »

Maybe people don't need to reply to you every 4 minutes
it's been almost 30

he must be making a REALLY BIG list man
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 10:26:09 PM by Kimon² »

the funny part is you insist you are right yet you have absolutely no sources and i have lists

come on get out your sources

Okay, I wil-

edit: this is taking a while
edit again: getting pretty skeptical

forget you, and excuuuuse me, princess.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Feminism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/724633/feminism
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/feminism

Feminism at its core is about gender equality.
The problem is people that go too far to advocate it, like violent crime, or those who are otherwise bigoted.
This problem exists in all groups. Not once, not one single loving time have I claimed feminism is perfect and does no wrong. I haven't said anything close to that.

Here's an article on why so few identify as feminists.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3094917/
Sorry for mobile, but I'm on a phone right now.

Feminism at its core is about gender equality.
So what exactly are the differences between feminism and general humanitarianism?

Okay, I wil-

forget you, and excuuuuse me, princess.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Feminism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/724633/feminism
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/feminism

Feminism at its core is about gender equality.
The problem is people that go too far to advocate it, like violent crime, or those who are otherwise bigoted.
This problem exists in all groups. Not once, not one single loving time have I claimed feminism is perfect and does no wrong. I haven't said anything close to that.

Here's an article on why so few identify as feminists.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3094917/
Sorry for mobile, but I'm on a phone right now.
nice, definitions. not sources at all actually but ok. that article doesn't say anything about feminists being good. none of these prove feminists live up to the definitions.
So what exactly are the differences between feminism and general humanitarianism?
humanitarianism has its stuff together unlike feminism

bottom line: feminism is a train wreck that needs to be abandoned
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 10:35:02 PM by Kimon² »

Anyone think that the name itself is an issue?
I mean I don't think I'm wrong in saying if feminism just changed its name to something gender-neutral it would become a lot more credible to me.

Anyone think that the name itself is an issue?
I mean I don't think I'm wrong in saying if feminism just changed its name to something gender-neutral it would become a lot more credible to me.
yeah, but the problem is almost no feminists care about gender equality, rather just female empowerment. i mean some i have seen literally have a problem with egalitarians and humanists because they focus of men's issues too.

ok you know what im just gonna pause for a second because none of this should have happened in the first place. this thread was horribly de-railed and this needs to be taken somewhere else. like pms.