supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

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If they have repeat offenses on their criminal record, then yes, they are probably a repeat offender. But you have a point. My point is when deciding between applicants you should be looking at all the information you have on them to make your decision.Except they do deserve benefits. Diversity benefits schools and workplaces. Minorities are still extremely discriminated against. By allowing more qualified minorities into the workforce/high education we help improve their economic situation and the state of their community as a whole, in order to work towards a more diverse and equal America.

Yes it is tribal. Whites aren't as discriminated against as minorities. It would be putting favor on those who don't need it. Race is not black and white, racism is not over, switching the races in situations and comparing the results is an ineffective argument because of how race works in today's society.

I dont know what definition your using but im pretty sure racial equality is when you treat races equally, like by not inflating the test scores of minoritys

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[DrenDran]

ok you know what im just gonna pause for a second because none of this should have happened in the first place. this thread was horribly de-railed and this needs to be taken somewhere else. like pms.

You could make a topic for it.
Unfortunately it seems people here just hate the idea of others making a topic for controversial political/religious discussion. It's probably even more taboo than bronies or furries, at least they have megathreads now.

yeah, but the problem is almost no feminists care about gender equality, rather just female empowerment. i mean some i have seen literally have a problem with egalitarians and humanists because they focus of men's issues too.

To be fair every group has its issues, and MRAs aren't somehow exempt from the "why not just be egalitarian" argument. I don't support one over the other. Each group makes batstuff crazy points as well as intelligent ones. The issue here is that feminism is far more prominent than MRA so it naturally receives more of the criticism.

[Night Fox]

So what exactly are the differences between feminism and general humanitarianism?

feminism doesn't concern itself with anything other than making women equal to men
some feminists themselves might, but the movement specifically, no

[Kimon²]

this has been said before but why even mention race in applications?

feminism doesn't concern itself with anything other than making women equal to men
some feminists themselves might, but the movement specifically, no

well yeah, but again let's not talk about this anymore

[SeventhSandwich]

feminism doesn't concern itself with anything other than making women equal to men

So why identify as a person only concerned with gender equality, when you can identify as someone concerned with everyone-equality?

[Kimon²]

So why identify as a person only concerned with gender equality, when you can identify as someone concerned with everyone-equality?

shrug

[Night Fox]

So why identify as a person only concerned with gender equality, when you can identify as someone concerned with everyone-equality?

idk. it's very likely they just don't care about anyone else
dusty12, for example. she's trans, but she doesn't give a damn about gay rights or any of that

[Char]

nice, definitions. not sources at all actually but ok.

Kinda is, because it explains what feminism actually is.

that article doesn't say anything about feminists being good.

I'M NOT loving SAYING THEY'RE GOOD WHAT THE stuff WHY DO YOU KEEP PULLING THIS OUT OF YOUR ASS
In fact, I wasn't even asked to provide sources for feminists being good. I was asked to show why the people you speak of are in the minority, which I did considering EIGHTY TWO PERCENT of people support gender equality, the core position of feminism.

none of these prove feminists live up to the definitions.

They actually kinda do, because you can't really be a feminist without believing in gender equality.
And you're the one that has to prove that the majority of feminists, which would actually include people that don't self-identify as feminists despite believing in gender equality, are total douchebags.
You pull up examples of feminists attacking others, but you can pull up examples of fundamentalists attacking gays, or otherwise trying horrible things to make them straight.

humanitarianism has its stuff together unlike feminism

Humanitarianism is more about good treatment of humans in general rather than just gender equality.
So technically, feminism is a part of humanitarianism.

bottom line: feminism is a train wreck that needs to be abandoned

ahahahahahahhahahahahhahgashh asdkjfjnsm,alki *stabs self repeatedly*

yeah, but the problem is almost no feminists care about gender equality, rather just female empowerment. i mean some i have seen literally have a problem with egalitarians and humanists because they focus of men's issues too.

yeah but the problem is all the ones that do crazy stuff like that get media attention
it's why no regular Christians are in the news often because of something religious that they did, but the Westboro Baptist Church get in the media all the time because of funeral-picketing and "GOD HATES cigaretteS" signs and stuff.

[SeventhSandwich]

idk. it's very likely they just don't care about anyone else

That seems sorta short-sighted and lame.

[Kimon²]

Humanitarianism is more about good treatment of humans in general rather than just gender equality.
So technically, feminism is a part of humanitarianism.

yeah except one isn't total garbage

what you don't understand is that the people that identify as feminists are the ones i am talking about here. you are only a feminist if you label yourself as one. the people that identify as feminists are a part of the groups that i showed you. you can't just clump everyone for gender equality into one big unorganized clusterforget.

[Char]

yeah except one isn't total garbage

riiiiiiiiiiight

what you don't understand is that the people that identify as feminists arethe ones i am talking about here.

You're still lumping a good amount of people into "batstuff insane" when they really aren't.

you are only a feminist if you label yourself as one. the people that identify as feminists are a part of the groups that i showed you. you can't just clump everyone for gender equality into one big unorganized clusterforget.

BUT FEMINISM IS GENDER EQUALITY WHAT

[Kimon²]

riiiiiiiiiiight

You're still lumping a good amount of people into "batstuff insane" when they really aren't.

BUT FEMINISM IS GENDER EQUALITY WHAT

feminism is a movement supposedly for gender equality, but i mean last time i checked gender equality can't be achieved by focusing only on the problems of one gender. hate to break it to you but a VERY small amount of feminists live up to the definitions.

[Char]

feminism is a movement supposedly for gender equality, but i mean last time i checked gender equality can't be achieved by focusing only on the problems of one gender. hate to break it to you but a VERY small amount of feminists live up to the definitions.

Except the gender being focused on is the one that's traditionally been inferior in terms of laws and social standing.

[Kimon²]

Except the gender being focused on is the one that's traditionally been inferior in terms of laws and social standing.

that doesn't mean that they won't have to focus on male equality issues at some point, too. which they are very reluctant to do.

[DrenDran]

They actually kinda do, because you can't really be a feminist without believing in gender equality.

People can call themselves whatever they want.
I could say "I support the holocaust, so I'm a democrat."
Or are you trying to establish one definition of a group (e.g. allowing no distinction between radicals and moderates)

Except the gender being focused on is the one that's traditionally been inferior in terms of laws and social standing.

Just like affirmative action, addressing only one groups problems (even if they actually do have more problems) seems to create implications that one group is worse or needs more help/protection than the other.