Author Topic: Evolution is real guys.  (Read 10935 times)

“Trust those who seek the truth, but doubt those who say they have found it.”
And people get angry when i constantly question the theory of evolution.  :cookieMonster:


I do not think it is real because if you read the Bible it tells you about Creationism   :cookieMonster:

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come onnnnnn guys

If no one searched for a cure to disease, then we wouldn't have found a cure to disease. You don't need a cited source for that, it's a purely logical conclusion.

That was a bad example then. I don't think it matters whether someone is secular or religious; they can both make astounding improvements to how we live. A scientist who says, "It wasn't like this before, and it shouldn't be like this now." is not a scientist.

No one is saying that, what are you talking about?
Also, I believe this counts as a straw man

Hey dude?

I didn't say, "We don't know the answer, therefore God."

they don't feel it's necessary to make one because they don't question their lord
no precision instruments to make it with

How would a microscope question God? And why can't a religious person use precision instruments?

I might just be not understanding what you're getting at.

They're under the common misconception that religion only suppresses achievements

This fallacy reminds me of this argument so much

Why when something related to this always gets such big discussion? That was just a joke topic about a joke video.

ahem

jew, shinto, and ancient chinese are still around today silly (and existed longer than christianity

I still wonder why the atheist stuff bags are flameing christians EVERYWARE on the internet

That lack of reading comprehension is impressive. He was sarcastically pointing out that Christianity is not special because those religions still exist and have a large following each.

This is why I put the "" around disproven. It was Richard "Arrogant stuffbag" Dawkins that claimed that every religion in the world was disproven and atheism is the only thing that exists. If you would like the name of the lecture, it is called "Militant Atheism". But the Bible was a collection of first-hand accounts of Jesus Christ and the miracles he performed. It was not written as a holy book, it was written as a document.

The Old Testament, from what I have read of it, works more like a holy book with a set of guidelines than a documentary. The New Testament, from what I have read of it, contains four documentations of Jesus' life and death, along with several supplementary books written by his disciples. It is treated as a holy book, otherwise it would not be called the "Holy Bible." Like the one I have. Sitting on my bookshelf. And have read.
What you may not know about the bible is that, in its current form, it is heavily abridged from the original documents. Many of Jesus' teenage years were cut out of the Bible apparently because Jesus was too extreme for the bible. I don't know. Point is that man has tampered with "god's word" for a while now, and the bible in its modern form has only existed for like a few hundred years.

A human kid born without legs won't spawn legless humans. Why would it work on whales

Actually if a series of environmental factors suddenly favored legless humans, and there was a defect that resulted in shorter legs, that would gradually be bred into the species, and would ultimately result in less legged humans and a whole lot more legless ones. This would occur over hundreds or thousands or even millions of years. Evolution is a slow process, and many of the species you see today have looked the same for a long time. Others have changed rapidly. Cows aren't like wild bulls, pigs aren't like wild boars, dogs aren't like wild wolves. All derived from their wild counterparts and have become entirely different species.

I'm going to throw this out for like...the third time because I'm either ignored or get a stupid answer like, "Well...atheists don't have to know everything like you Christians do."

After all, "Mass cannot be created or destroyed." but no matter what viewpoint you look at (whether by logic or supernatural), mass obviously had to be created somewhere or else time is infinite (which is neither logical nor supernatural). If secular scientists don't have an answer, then a supernatural existence is the most reasonable assumption.

But that is the answer. We don't know as a species. We cannot look back several trillion years into our universe's history. We cannot find any written documents about how the universe formed because nothing was around to write about it. Or if there was, whatever they wrote has long be destroyed or otherwise damaged to the point of illegibility, and we would be unable to read it anyways. If there is substantial evidence directly proving that some big floating dude with a beard in the sky made the entire universe and it's not just a case of lack of evidence claiming otherwise, I will believe in that god. Otherwise it is much easier to look at something and attempt to explain it, dissect it, and understand it scientifically, to either sate curiosity, or explore how it could be used to benefit humanity.

This makes no sense. You're saying that people with a different belief system couldn't have made improvements to the world we know today. God never said that people were supposed to remain primitive.

You're ignoring his point. The point is that if instead of explaining disease as being caused by environmental hazards and microscopic bacteria and other forgetin' richardheaded stuff that likes to make people sick, we explained it as Divine Intervention, by whatever gods you want to have it from - Zeus, God, Allah, Horus, some dragon sick of humanity's stuff whatever - we would not have progressed in the field of modern medicine. Many of our scientific advances, especially those weighing in on a microscopic level, would not have occurred if we hadn't sought to explain things with something other than god.

They're under the common misconception that religion only suppresses achievements

I will accept that religious people have made breakthroughs in their fields countless amounts of times, however.

Why when something related to this always gets such big discussion? That was just a joke topic about a joke video.

Its so obvious that Caribou was joking yet people have to argue because they feel so confident in being right in their belief, that they have to argue it at every turn  :cookieMonster:

My joke was taken seriously. Has science gone too far?

Its so obvious that Caribou was joking yet people have to argue because they feel so confident in being right in their belief, that they have to argue it at every turn  :cookieMonster:
this is what happens when you're dumb at forcing fads on people

Why does how the universe formed matter to anyone but the scientists studying it?

Live your loving life, don't worry about the one after it. There probably ain't gonna be one.
This

That was a bad example then. I don't think it matters whether someone is secular or religious; they can both make astounding improvements to how we live.
I never said otherwise.
I said IF you're told not to question a specific answer THEN other possible answers won't be proposed
And IF the originally proposed answer is supernatural, AND there's a perfectly natural answer, THEN that natural answer won't be discovered

Hey dude?

I didn't say, "We don't know the answer, therefore God."
HERP
If secular scientists don't have an answer, then a supernatural existence is the most reasonable assumption.
DERP
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 01:25:48 PM by Headcrab Zombie »

That was a bad example then. I don't think it matters whether someone is secular or religious; they can both make astounding improvements to how we live. A scientist who says, "It wasn't like this before, and it shouldn't be like this now." is not a scientist.
anyone can want change, even a scientist. i don't understand what you're saying

OKAY GUYS
Science is basically asking questions abound the world around you. When you say "why" or "how" or any other way of asking a question, you're being a scientist!
Science is not a religion, its not a path to take, it's just studying the world around you. it's just that science tends to conflict with the beliefs of a religion, and that's where people freak out.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 01:19:40 PM by Crispy_ »

I never said otherwise.
I said IF you're told not to question (which many religions to in my aspects) THEN other explanations to that won't be discovered

Christianity says nothing about questioning how things work or came to be; I'm not arguing for other religions because I don't know enough about them.

anyone can want change, even a scientist. i don't understand what you're saying

From what I'm reading from you guys, scientists who aren't secular are not allowed to change the world because a god told them they aren't allowed to do it. And since I'm defending Christianity here (not Islam, not Catholic/Protestant division, not Hindu, not nothing else), it isn't making sense because God never said that. He did say that no one can worship other gods or shun his name, but science clearly doesn't cause a problem there (unless you're secular, which obviously makes less sense to me than otherwise).

HERPDERP

Aye, my fault.

Secularism is the opposite of Creationism though, so you're statement you made for me would conversely work for you.

From what I'm reading from you guys, scientists who aren't secular are not allowed to change the world because a god told them they aren't allowed to do it. And since I'm defending Christianity here (not Islam, not Catholic/Protestant division, not Hindu, not nothing else), it isn't making sense because God never said that. He did say that no one can worship other gods or shun his name, but science clearly doesn't cause a problem there (unless you're secular, which obviously makes less sense to me than otherwise).
don't consider me part of this group you've made please, anyone can at least want change. while religion may slow down progress, it quite obviously would not stop it.