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But, what if some starfish created a ultra electromagnetic field near a bunch of bots, would it disable them or what?
that would stop production regardless of the amount of extra robots they had

How do expect the machines to support our economy which is based around the buying of objects like phones, tvs, computers, coffee, food, and medicine. You need money to buy those things, and to get money you need to work. Yet you can't work if robots have taken over everything. The economy would tank or we would live in world were only the top 1%, a few programmers, and a few technicians would be able to live decently. Sounds like Marx's version of a dystopia.
If only the 1% had a source of income, the currency would become devalued immediately. Also if every job is getting replaced, most high level executives would probably be replaced (to where only the CEO is human)

I think we'll have to transition into a new economic model where people don't have to work for money, and where robots create abundance for everyone

There will be a large market for maintaining and programming these robots

Robots will not replace humans in the workforce.

The first real work I did as a laborer involved lifting buckets of grout/mortar and cinder blocks up scaffolding using a pulley (just a wheel, didn't make it any easier).  Toward the end the scaffolding got pretty high, and the elevator shaft we were building got to be over thirty feet tall.  Another laborer and I joked about how it would be so awesome if we had some machine to do the lifting for us.  Boss overheard and told us about a machine he saw another company using that did that.  Cost 10 grand.  You could keep me working for over 900 hours with that cash, and I can do a lot more than pull a rope.

Robots just cost a lot and can only do one or two things.  Humans can work for cheap (minimum wage hurts that) and be trained and retrained for just about anything and are so much cheaper and easier to replace.  Robots also have expensive updates and bug fixes where humans only have the one well tested and trusted model.

But if you really think that they will, invest heavily in some robotics companies.  Human unemployment will then be irrelevant to you because you'll be rich.
Well as robots like baxter (if you watched the video) are created and perfected, companies will be able to invest in labor robots that require no pay, for a cheap up front investment that will quickly pay for itself. Machine learning will excel to a point where 10k custom robots are no longer the norm.

well we wont see anything like that in our life time, and we'll probably not reach that point in the next hundred or so years. Humans are just so much more reliable, and for stuff jobs you only have to pay them about $21,000 a year and that's it, whereas a robot would cost you ten times that, would require people who knew how to operate and maintain them, and uber-complicated machines like that getting as much wear and tear as they would recieve would probably only last a maximum of ten years before needing to be replaced.

It will simply be more cost-effective to hire people at stuff wages forever.
Once again, robots like Baxter are general purpose and through machine learning will be able to do most tasks a human can do. These robots will get cheaper, smaller, and faster by the year. They're going to be economically viable much quicker than you think. We'll be seeing the effects of this shortly with the transportation industry, which will be revolutionized by self driving cars.

which will be revolutionized by self driving cars.
i guess i won't be driving in a few years

Understanding the brain alone will take a hell of a long time. Getting enough power to emulate the trillions of neural synapses is something that we are far from achieving.

http://www.top500.org/blog/an-83000-processor-supercomputer-can-only-match-1-of-your-brain/

Also jobs like doctors cant be replaced entirely by robots. The surgeons hand and muscle memory is far superior to what any robot could ever do. Besides, I don't think anybody will trust his life to a robot anytime soon. Robots will simply make jobs easier, not replace human workers.
https://www.tue.nl/en/university/news-and-press/news/new-microsurgery-robot-is-five-times-as-precise-as-a-human-hand/
Robots are inherently better than humans at surgery. You picked the worst example for this.

Ultimately whether or not it is possible to replicate the human mind in software form (doubtful imo but whatever), robots are expensive.  They're good for simple, high volume tasks like an assembly line where by volume alone you can still make a profit despite high operating costs, but for something like construction where you have a lot of varied, smaller tasks, and the division of labor is less economical and therefore less conducive to the individual niche of a given robot, humans are cheaper even when you factor in sick days and weekends and stuff.

Also, you have to pay humans, but there are operating costs associated with running a robot.  Power isn't cheap.

People freaked out about industrialization, the lifespan increased and people still had jobs.  People freaked out about computers.  Now most people own a phone and still have jobs.  People freak out over robots and...

Either way the rumba still hasn't bankrupted every cleaning business.  Whether or not you believe the brain can be programmed into a computer, I find it unlikely that machines can ever do much more than aide humans in most instances.

Everything is inherently emulatable. Anything can be emulated once you hit the level where processing power is good enough to emulate subatomic particles. The difference between this and industrialization is that there is no foreseeable job that can't be done by a robot (theoretically) so we must change society's values
I like robots. If we had the scientific ability to transfer someone's consciousness into a robot body, I totally would.
I can see no way that this wouldn't be a robot with all your memories and personality. (unless they plucked your brain out of your head, which is feasible)
On hand-made parts: They are typically of higher quality of what a robot can do because humans have eyes, where most robots do not.
Are you serious? lol
It'd be stupid to have a robot detect an imperfection, and then to have more robots set up ahead in case there are imperfections. It's a logistical nightmare.
If there are no imperfections anywhere earlier in the design process, there won't be a problem. Robots.
pretty much all discussion about "quality" is moot anyway because the precise robotics necessary to surpass even the most basic human work quality are far more expensive than manual labour
But they'll get cheaper, as personal computers did.
First off, calm the forget down. This is about more than "trembling." The human body is too complicated to just leave to a robot. Would a robot be able to recognize what exactly to cut in a human body? Would it be able to distinguish different organs and recognize the problem if something went wrong mid surgery? Would a robot be able to duplicate human interaction and provide a sense of calm and security in patients? I've talked to many doctors and medical students, and most tell me the same thing. Robots may replace a surgeons hands, they may be fully integrated to work side by side with doctors, but they will never be able to fully replace a medical professional.
I'm going to number your questions.
1. Yes. XRAYs and MRIs allow them to see the internal anatomy perfectly and make perfect incisions.
2. Yes. (using vision processing)
3. If the human is awake for surgery, they can take comfort in the fact that whoever employs the robot had withheld from using robots until they were made to be better than all (or most) human surgeons. (The same argument is made for self driving cars. Self driving cars don't need to be perfect, just better than humans)
Of course they could replace a medical professional. Watch the video, there is a whole part about professionals.
But, what if some starfish created a ultra electromagnetic field near a bunch of bots, would it disable them or what?
What if some starfish just shot all the human workers? Would it disable them or what?
Industrial espionage m8
Most labor jobs such as warehousing or mass production will definitely be taken over by robotic applications. However, there will always be jobs in agriculture, science, military, and a ton of others i don't want to think of mentioning.
There may be some robots within these areas, but humans will always be the majority.
If we're going to employ any robots in those fields (research, for example) then they will theoretically eventually replace all humans for their cost effectiveness (assuming we don't hit any laws of the universe or physics that prevent us from upholding Moore's law)

https://www.tue.nl/en/university/news-and-press/news/new-microsurgery-robot-is-five-times-as-precise-as-a-human-hand/
Robots are inherently better than humans at surgery. You picked the worst example for this.
1. Yes. XRAYs and MRIs allow them to see the internal anatomy perfectly and make perfect incisions.
2. Yes. (using vision processing)
3. If the human is awake for surgery, they can take comfort in the fact that whoever employs the robot had withheld from using robots until they were made to be better than all (or most) human surgeons. (The same argument is made for self driving cars. Self driving cars don't need to be perfect, just better than humans)
Of course they could replace a medical professional. Watch the video, there is a whole part about professionals.
That's a hand though, I'm sure robotic hands are more steady than human hands. I'm talking about surgeon experience. The experience on what to do if something went wrong. This robotic hand is great since it will be operated by a robot. My point is that I can't see robots replacing doctors entirely. Part of being a doctor is not just diagnosis, but also having a human relationship with your patient. Would you rather go to a doctor's office and have a machine look at you for a minute and give you a diagnosis without even getting into the psychological side of medicine, or have a human diagnose you using not only your physical symptoms, but also your mental ones. I think robots and doctors will be working side by side in the future.

There is no reason that robots would be unable to identify psychological symptoms

I'd much rather face a precise robot knowing it won't lose a loving 10 inch pair of tweezers in by body or cut off a bit it wasn't supposed to.

Seems like everything has to be hooked up the intenrnet these days.  Could you imagine a hacker hacking a surgeon bot and using it to commit murder?

atleast prostitution cant be outsourced to bots

Seems like everything has to be hooked up the intenrnet these days.  Could you imagine a hacker hacking a surgeon bot and using it to commit murder?
that would definitely be interesting
my guess is things of importance like surgeons wouldnt be connected to the internet tho

atleast prostitution cant be outsourced to bots
>lovebots are perfected
>all need for the women species is nullified
>feminists cry their last rants as their population diminishes
>eventually the general human population decreases
>the human race becomes extinct
>robots continue our legacy, placing lovebots at the top of the hierarchy

we got a GREAT future ahead of us amirite guys?

If only the 1% had a source of income, the currency would become devalued immediately. Also if every job is getting replaced, most high level executives would probably be replaced (to where only the CEO is human)

I think we'll have to transition into a new economic model where people don't have to work for money, and where robots create abundance for everyone

There will be a large market for maintaining and programming these robots

A Society such as that would probably be borderline Utopia and we all know that isnt possible.

If only the 1% had a source of income, the currency would become devalued immediately. Also if every job is getting replaced, most high level executives would probably be replaced (to where only the CEO is human)

I think we'll have to transition into a new economic model where people don't have to work for money, and where robots create abundance for everyone

There will be a large market for maintaining and programming these robots
I don't believe such an economic system is possible since our economy is based on the buying and selling of things that we use every day. It would have to take some Star Trek voodoo to achieve that.