Author Topic: "No Justice No Tree / #ShutItDown" in NYC (Eric Garner Protests)  (Read 14124 times)

Resisting arrest is usually incredibly stupid. But then again, so is choking a man to death.

white cop kills unarmed black man/child by using extremely excessive force, isnt even indicted. and then they have to go through all the "none of those were about race" bullstuff. people are getting angry, and black lives matter more than a stupid loving tree

So I actually put some research into this. The conclusion that I reached is that the cop tried using a police maneuver where you hook one of the subject's arms and wrap the other around their torso, taking them down. At first that sounded like a 'cover-my-ass' kind of thing, but then I thought about the actual logistics of it. Eric Garner is like a foot taller than the cop. It'd be near impossible to hook an arm and press downwards on their torso to bring them down, especially with a man of more portly size such as Mr. Garner. Imagine trying to grab the chest of someone a foot taller than you from behind, you would easily end up against their neck when you pulled towards you.

Then there's where the truth kicks in: what happens once the chokehold is applied. The chokehold is released when Mr. Garner hit the ground, before he begins saying "I can't breathe." This one is actually verifiable purely by the fact that Mr. Garner was able to actually talk and say "I can't breathe." Try having one of your friends strangle you while you try to talk. Tell me if it comes out anywhere near as close to normal as it did in the video. I'll actually save you the effort: your voice will squeak out in an extremely raspy and quiet tone. What actually happened was that the choking triggered Mr. Garner's asthma, which then prevented him from being able to breathe.

So the issue then becomes: was the chokehold itself excessive force based on how the average person would react to it?

Chokeholds are banned in the NYPD. They shouldn't be used. Assuming the officer had attempted to execute the move he said he was, but merely failed to properly execute it but released the choke hold as soon as was safe, the officer would be culpable for nothing. However, assuming the officer went in for a chokehold and later lied about it, the officer is culpable for use of excessive force.

So, once again, the issue changes: was the officer intentionally using a chokehold? I don't know if that question is possible to answer by anyone but the officer himself. What we do know is that he did not intend to kill the man, as he released the chokehold as soon as possible. With this information in mind, I can understand why he was not indicted. I don't know if I agree with that decision, but I do know that the trial would be a stalemate. In that scenario, the police officer would be the defendant. That means it's the job of the prosecution to prove that he executed the move intentionally, which is impossible.

•think about the fact that there were way more cops to fat black man in that ratio
•and now think about how irresponsible it is for that cop to let himself get carried away to the point of holding that man in a chokehold even after the man is on the ground and has his hands in position to be cuffed
•the loving guy was making choked out hamburger reverb noises from the back of his throat and repeatedly stating he cannot breath
•even if that was a bs claim, if the cop could not assess the situation at that point and determine whether or not it would be smart to weaken his grip on patrice oneals esophagus, he is not fit to be a cop
•like usual i am right about the situation and if you even think theres an angle that makes what the cop did remotely viable you are stupid as stuff and shouldnt be a cop

cops are supposed to contain the threat and put them away to consequently pay for their crimes, not pop a sick RKO on the motherforgeter and try to exterminate the threat forever

"this guy got killed so the christmas tree should be shut down!"

not related in any way, what are they even fighting for

"this guy got killed so the christmas tree should be shut down!"

not related in any way, what are they even fighting for
probs so the cop will be charged with genocide or something lol

This one is actually verifiable purely by the fact that Mr. Garner was able to actually talk and say "I can't breathe." Try having one of your friends strangle you while you try to talk. Tell me if it comes out anywhere near as close to normal as it did in the video. I'll actually save you the effort: your voice will squeak out in an extremely raspy and quiet tone.

I can verify this. In CPR one of the things we are taught was not to intervene if the patient tells us they are choking or can't breathe. Them being able to say that indicates only a partial airway blockage. If somebody was actually unable to breathe, they would not be able to speak at all or in rasps as trinick said.

is this what living in america is like

is this what living in america is like
only in the famous cities

•think about the fact that there were way more cops to fat black man in that ratio
•and now think about how irresponsible it is for that cop to let himself get carried away to the point of holding that man in a chokehold even after the man is on the ground and has his hands in position to be cuffed
•the loving guy was making choked out hamburger reverb noises from the back of his throat and repeatedly stating he cannot breath
•even if that was a bs claim, if the cop could not assess the situation at that point and determine whether or not it would be smart to weaken his grip on patrice oneals esophagus, he is not fit to be a cop
•like usual i am right about the situation and if you even think theres an angle that makes what the cop did remotely viable you are stupid as stuff and shouldnt be a cop

cops are supposed to contain the threat and put them away to consequently pay for their crimes, not pop a sick RKO on the motherforgeter and try to exterminate the threat forever
did you even read trinick's post
the chokehold was pretty much the only way to bring him down, the officer just did it wrong or the man had REALLY bad asthma and it triggered his asthma.

Fired? Yes, because he tried a banned move and failed. Tried? Apparently not, because he didn't commit a crime. Personally I'd charge manslaughter, but nobody except the grand jury knows all the facts.


How to prevent stuff like this: MOVE THE THE HELL AWAY FROM AMERICA! and before you reply with 'where' I don't know but in my opinion I think anywhere but there, Britain (despite how crap it is) is probably better to live in than America, the police over here won't turn around and kill you because they feel like it or because you're black, they don't kill anyone (or anywhere near as much as American pigs do, and if they ever do hurt or kill it's for legit reasons). I mean seriously it's not just black men, it seems like they're killing everyone over there for jack stuff, and despite having evidence against them they can always get away with it absolutely Scott free.

'The greatest country in the world' bullstuff, I hate England a lot for various reasons but I thank god every day that I wasn't born in America (and I'm white). I seriously doubt that America can ever recover from these issues. lol and to think a little while ago I was considering visiting America, HA! I don't loving think so mate!

All I see is 'America, the land of racism and pigs'. That is all.

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we see these stuffty ass trees every year i wouldnt even care if it gets shut down
the tree looks like stuff anyway, i could poop out a better one in an hour.


people sometimes forget that cops like these are the minorities too and calling all cops pigs is stupid

I knew there was more to this story. Thank you based trinick