EU changes rules on GM crop cultivation [Should GMO's be labelled?]

[Kearn]

It already is, you have to pay royalties to use Monsanto's seeds...

if the royalties are higher than the money you make using them then use regular crops..?

[Ad Bot]

[sir dooble]

But SeventhSandwich, you don't understand!
If we didn't have all those things we'd be better off!
We would be more productive without computers, and we'd be more social without iPhones to distract us, and we wouldn't have autism if there wasn't vaccines, and we'd have no cancers if we didn't have GMOs!

[SeventhSandwich]

If you hadn't noticed the difference between seeds and Windows is:

You need food to live.
You don't need Windows to live.

Dipstuff, the ethics of whether to ban a piece of technology doesn't rest on whether it's central to human life. Regardless, for what it's worth, had we banned smallpox vaccines more people would have died from that disease than hunger in the time since the early 19th century.

We would be more productive without computers, and we'd be more social without iPhones to distract us, and we wouldn't have autism if there wasn't vaccines, and we'd have no cancers if we didn't have GMOs!

yup yup!~ wake up murrica

[Camel]

Or we should ban iPhones, since Apple buys a substantial amount of electronics parts from a company whose working conditions are so bad that they installed nets along their building to prevent workers from committing Self Delete.

that one isn't really helping your case lol.

the monsanto monopoly is a very real thing, it's essentially already happening with corn and soy, but:

monsanto =/= gmo

monsanto may be the current face of gmo's at the time, but they're not the same. one is a process, and the other is a company.

[Tetro Block]

Dipstuff, the ethics of whether to ban a piece of technology doesn't rest on whether it's central to human life.

"I know, let's charge people $10 for every litre of air they inhale!"

[Camel]

"I know, let's charge people $10 for every litre of air they inhale!"

tetro im trying to be reasonable here but you're making no sense

people already pay money for food.

[Kearn]

if air becomes a reasonably finite resource then yes there will be a cost to it

but that's entirely unreasonable since a single CO2 scrubber can recycle all the air you need

people already pay money for food.

and water

[Tetro Block]

tetro im trying to be reasonable here but you're making no sense

people already pay money for food.

I give up, GMO wins.

[SeventhSandwich]

the monsanto monopoly is a very real thing, it's essentially already happening with corn and soy, but:

monsanto =/= gmo

monsanto may be the current face of gmo's at the time, but they're not the same. one is a process, and the other is a company.

That's literally the entire point I'm trying to prove here. The fact that an unethical, immoral corporation makes GMOs has no effect on how useful/safe they are.

"I know, let's charge people $10 for every litre of air they inhale!"

LOL, industrialized agriculture has lowered the price of food for the consumer. The reason why Monsanto is controversial is because they put a burden on the producers, not the consumers. Learn your own controversy.

Here is a graph of real agriculture prices adjusted for inflation since 1900:


As you can see, since the green revolution around the 40s there's a clear negative trend in the price of food. The bumps in the 70s and 80s were because of the 1973 oil crCIA and resulting embargos by the OPEC, which raised the price of food by driving up transportation costs.

[Nonnel]

take that you hippies

[Camel]

I give up, GMO wins.

[Harm94]

Grow both GMO crops and Normal crops with various markings. Everyone is happy.

[SeventhSandwich]

Grow both GMO crops and Normal crops with various markings. Everyone is happy.

but why even set a dichotomy for two things that are literally the same?

[Harm94]

but why even set a dichotomy for two things that are literally the same?

Keeps the organic people happy and the people who simply don't care can buy the super farm food.

[SeventhSandwich]

Keeps the organic people happy and the people who simply don't care can buy the super farm food.

Okay, so let's mandate that all food producers label their food 'non-kosher' or 'non-halal' if it hasn't been religiously blessed. That'll keep the Jews and Muslims happy too.