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People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

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Neutering and spaying prevents their reproduction, reducing the ammount of genetically disabled humans drastically. Brilliant idea, if you ask me. Otherwise, just drop an axe on their head. There's no need for them to live a hard life nor to contaminate our species with useless mutations.
In regards to Downs Syndrome in particular, preventing people with the genes from reproducing wouldn't stop Downs Syndrome from occuring at all.
For starters, people who exhibit Downs Syndrome are often sterile. Most males are sterile, and while most females aren't they have an early menopause, and given that they often have a shorter life-span than non Downs Syndrome individuals, they do have a smaller chance of having offspring. Therefore, preventing Downs Syndrome individuals from reproducing would have no effect on the occurence of Downs, as they themselves make up a tiny portion of the population, and roughly half of them are sterile from birth.

Then you have to consider that those otherwise healthy individuals who do have Downs Syndrome children, likely didn't know they're carrying any genes for it. It's recessive, and it can easily not show up in a family for several generations. Chances are there is someone in your family, in the last hundred years or so who has downs syndrome. 1 in every 691 children in the USA are born with Downs Syndrome.

Furthermore, having Downs syndrome isn't entirely due to genetics either. Parents who have children at an older age, both mother AND father, have a much higher risk of having a child with Downs syndrome. In part, its due to their old age and their body failing to successfully produce sperm/ova with the correct number of chromosomes.

Screening would be an unhelpful and costly measure for parents planning a pregnancy.
The easier and more common option is that parents simply conceive, and then during their pre-natal care they are screened. Downs syndrome can be identified in the womb, and parents often get the choice to abort their child.
In the UK, you even have a larger window in which to abort your baby if it is found to have Downs or other serious mental/physical disabilities.
92% of parents who find out they are carrying a Downs Syndrome child will abort it in the UK.

There are plenty of other birth defects which can't be stopped by simply sterilising/banning the reproduction of individuals who have the disease, or even those currently known to carry it.
Many of these things are caused either by external influences (such as their own physical disability, or exposure to substances [consider Foetal Alcohol Syndrome], or even age) and therefore can't be screened prior to them having conception.
In addition to that, many of the genes which do cause birth defects come about naturally, and can appear in individuals with no known family history of the disease.

The only option you'd actually have to even attempt to prevent all birth defects, would be to forcibly screen every individual at birth, prior to them conceiving, and then during pregnancy. And then if you found them to have a likelihood of causing a defect, you'd have to forcibly seperate them from other people, OR sterilise them. And both of those options are human rights violations.
And ultimately it wouldn't help, because there would still be some individuals who squeeze through the gaps.


except that the question regards disabilities and not diseases
Yeah, how about you read threads instead of going around stuffting everywhere lol.
For your information, all disabilities due to birth defects, or infection, or poisoning or what have you, are a disease.
Disease is a catch-all term for any illness which isn't caused by physical injury.

For example, common cold is a disease, as is cancer, as is Downs Syndrome, and even allergies.
Losing a limb due to an explosion isn't a disease (although the need to amputate a limb that has taken injury may be due to disease, such as gangrene within a limb)

sir dooble: doing the work that the rest of us are too forgetin' lazy to do. God bless you sir.

the doobs strikes again

If ethical and moral dilemma's aren't rooted in reality then they are completely useless.

As much as I agree with you on the actual genetics debate, I think question could just as easily be re-worded into "If reproduction causes harm to the potential child or community, should the parents be allowed to reproduce?". It's a theoretical question, it's not asking for the semantic contextual technicalities of the already non-existent scenario.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 07:35:28 PM by Rally »

I believe that we should isolate all stupid and autistic people on a small island in the middle of the Pacific with no food and force them to drink salt water and eat themselves.

Then we let all of the normal people reproduce to make the (somewhat) perfect society where nobody can look down on another person if they have a disability because no disability would exist and if one case came up, they get thrown on the island. Also think of how much Bacon we would save if we didn't feed it to the stupid and kept it for ourselves.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 07:38:25 PM by Aplem »

Sir Dooble just went total beast mode.

technically if the least intelligent people get murdered, wouldn't that mean the people right above them now become the next target? then it would keep going on till there the top of the top say they are the only ones worthy to live?

technically if the least intelligent people get murdered, wouldn't that mean the people right above them now become the next target? then it would keep going on till there the top of the top say they are the only ones worthy to live?
No, eventually it'll die out, cus only a certain kind of person believes in eugenics. ;)

No, eventually it'll die out, cus only a certain kind of person believes in eugenics. ;)
yeah i guess

also i find it kind of funny that most people here don't really contribute anything to society and their the ones saying that other should be killed. it only matters if its me right?

yeah i guess

also i find it kind of funny that most people here don't really contribute anything to society and their the ones saying that other should be killed. it only matters if its me right?

I contribute, but it's just going to say that the stupid people really should be taken care of. There is no hope for this world if we continue to let the 70% of stupid people free to wander around. They have no role in society and they are the ones that are dragging our world down with them.

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Not to mention the countless amount of guys that are obviously not going to grow up to be anything more than an entry level mail room or McDonalds employee. They have no hope and so far all they have managed to do is forget up our educational and job system.

The reason most countries believe that America is stupid, is simply because 70% of the people are. We see girls running around being sluts, and guys running around either with a neckbeard or they're just complete starfishs to everybody.

The only way I can see how we as a society and a planet can thrive is to sort out the stupid from even the somewhat intelligent people. We let the smart people actually have jobs and we deny anybody that comes in demanding to be a manager with no experience other than mopping a floor and picking stuff up off the bathroom floor.

The reason most countries believe that America is stupid, is simply because 70% of the people are.
Do you genuinely believe it's different in other countries? I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

I don't agree with you though. Everyone who complains about that stuff, as far as I can tell, is just some awkward dork trying to find a way to justify the fact that they don't talk to people.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 08:28:04 PM by Katla »

Do you genuinely believe it's different in other countries? I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

I don't agree with you though. Everyone who complains about that stuff, as far as I can tell, is just some awkward dork trying to find a way to justify the fact that they don't talk to people.

Oh I know it's different in other countries. Not all, but some. I've been to Norway, Sweden, Italy, South and North Korea. In all of those places, the majority of people I ran into are actually intelligent and nice and not dumb starfishs.

I'm no awkward dork either, I love talking to people just as long as they aren't a total jerk off. I complain about people being stupid because a-lot of people are stupid.

Oh I know it's different in other countries. Not all, but some. I've been to Norway, Sweden, Italy, South and North Korea. In all of those places, the majority of people I ran into are actually intelligent and nice and not dumb starfishs.

I'm no awkward dork either, I love talking to people just as long as they aren't a total jerk off. I complain about people being stupid because a-lot of people are stupid.

How did you get inside North Korea?

Also there are intelligent people in the United States along with the rest of the world. I don't know where you live but I don't believe 70% of the 316,000,000 people who live in the U.S are stupid. You're just picking and choosing people who you don't like who happen to live in America, and claiming they represent the majority of our society.

Oh I know it's different in other countries. Not all, but some. I've been to Norway, Sweden, Italy, South and North Korea. In all of those places, the majority of people I ran into are actually intelligent and nice and not dumb starfishs.

I'm no awkward dork either, I love talking to people just as long as they aren't a total jerk off. I complain about people being stupid because a-lot of people are stupid.
yeah there are a lot of stupid people, but educating should be more liable instead of stripping their humanity and forcing them to be tortured and killed. that would also mean more people to be useful instead of having less people to be useful.

and i really, really doubt your ideas if you think that a brainwashed people who literally believe that their founder and leaders are gods are intelligent, even after you said people who believe in god(s) are stupid.

Oh I know it's different in other countries. Not all, but some. I've been to Norway, Sweden, Italy, South and North Korea. In all of those places, the majority of people I ran into are actually intelligent and nice and not dumb starfishs.
Did you go to school in any of those countries?