UK General Election 2015 - Election Day - Conservative Majority Wins.

[sir dooble]

but they are also tribals lmao

No they're not.
And even if there are tribals in the party there are tribals in all parties.

Their views on immigration aren't based on racism, they're based on logical points.

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[otto-san]

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[Donro98]

No they're not.
And even if there are tribals in the party there are tribals in all parties.

Their views on immigration aren't based on racism, they're based on logical points.

There are definitely tribals, and there is an abundance of tribal/homophobic/islamophobic people in lead positions.
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/allow-gay-men-marry-siblings/story-15410550-detail/story.html

“Our traditional values have been undermined. Children are taught to be ashamed of our past. Multiculturalism has split our society.”, Ukip Manifesto.

“On the question of Islamification,” said Farage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_RKEhT6-f8), “we have to do a bit more to teach our children of the values of our Judeo-Christian society.” He proceeded to note that at least 20 police forces are turning a blind eye to the operation of Sharia Law and expressed admiration for countries which say: “You’re welcome to come here and to have your children here… but if you’re coming here to take us over, you’re not welcome.”

A recent manifesto commitment to "tackle extremist Islam by banning the burqa or veiled niqab in public buildings and certain private buildings" was further explained by Farage: "I can't go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet on. I can't wear a balaclava going round the District and Circle line.” - my browser wouldn't load this source, so take with a grain of salt. was found here

Olly Neville, the former UKIP Youth Chairman, was fired for same-love marriage advocation http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/exclusive-so-much-for-the-libertarians-how-ukip-sacked-me-after-i-said-i-support-equal-marriage-8444121.html

[Kearn]

ah yes because muslim societies are renowned for their civility and establishment of basic human rights like being literate

why do you think islam is such a great thing that it deserves just as much precedent as the past centuries of british values?

[SWAT One]

"Multiculturalism has split our society" is essentially a whitewashed version of Riddler's propaganda.  That's how it all started.

[Donro98]

ah yes because muslim societies are renowned for their civility and establishment of basic human rights like being literate

why do you think islam is such a great thing that it deserves just as much precedent as the past centuries of british values?

Oh yes because all muslim societies are extremists. Why respect religions when we can crush your beliefs?

[Kearn]

"Multiculturalism has split our society" is essentially a whitewashed version of Riddler's propaganda.  That's how it all started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Oh yes because all muslim societies are extremists. Why respect religions when we can crush your beliefs?

oh yeah thats totally what i said

[Ipquarx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

And this is a rebuttal... how?

[Donro98]

ah yes because muslim societies are renowned for their civility and establishment of basic human rights like being literate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

oh yeah thats totally what i said

were you not being sarcastic or something because you implied that muslim societies arent civil.  Islamic sects that arent civil are extremists. You were making a huge generalization.

[Kearn]

its ridiculous to try to compare ukip to the national socialists

remember all the times farage blamed the muslims for all of britains problems and said that britain should take over ireland and that the white british masterrace must be dominant over all others

were you not being sarcastic or something because you implied that muslim societies arent civil.  Islamic sects that arent civil are extremists. You were making a huge generalization.

yeah i am making a generalization because i have yet to find a predominantly muslim country in which human rights, technology, and economic development are far beyond that of secular or christian nations

[Donro98]

its ridiculous to try to compare ukip to the national socialists

remember all the times farage blamed the muslims for all of britains problems and said that britain should take over ireland and that the white british masterrace must be dominant over all others

godwins law only applies when its irrelevant to an argument. Otherwise, national socialists could literally never be brought up as a legit point, even in antisemitism.

[Ipquarx]

yeah i am making a generalization because i have yet to find a predominantly muslim country in which human rights, technology, and economic development are far beyond that of secular or christian nations

Ever heard of dubai? rofl

[Donro98]

its ridiculous to try to compare ukip to the national socialists

remember all the times farage blamed the muslims for all of britains problems and said that britain should take over ireland and that the white british masterrace must be dominant over all others

yeah i am making a generalization because i have yet to find a predominantly muslim country in which human rights, technology, and economic development are far beyond that of secular or christian nations

just because you have yet to find one does not mean that it doesnt exist.


ALSO DUBAI

[sir dooble]

As I said, there are people like this in all parties.

But in regards to the 3 points about Multiculturalism, I have to say I agree with some of what they say. I don't believe it's right that there should be people who enter the UK from other cultures and don't attempt to integrate at all, and that traditional British values aren't upheld in class rooms as much as they used to be.
I don't think it's tribal to want people to respect your culture. It's not calling for people to completely throw away their culture when they enter the UK either, simply that they don't put up barriers in the community. I would be surprised if you'd never noticed the segregation that some people in various cultures instill on themselves living in the cities of the UK.

And in regards to the Burga comment, I whole-heartedly agree with that. I can't at all find it tribal.
The Burqa is not a religious requirement for people, it's not like insisting Sikhs remove their turbans.
Why should it be unacceptable for me to enter a bank wearing a motorcycle helmet covering my entire face, but another person can wear a burqa covering their entire face.
I would happily adopt France's law on banning the Burqa.


As for the YI rep, I can't speak on that. There's no comment I can find anywhere from UKIP themselves saying why he was removed, so it's just one persons word.
I found other articles stating that, since his removal, the ex-YI chairman had since written articles on things like "What's wrong with Necrophilia". If those are also things he's advocating or bringing up, alongside discussion of same-love marriage, then I wouldn't want him being associated with my party. But it would be easy for them to claim he was fired solely for the same-love marriage comments.
But when it comes down to it, I don't vote for them on those views, or the actions of individual members. I vote for their views on the EU, the movement of wealth over the Scottish border, and open-borders.

Ever heard of dubai? rofl

Arresting women for having their arms exposed, or kissing isn't exactly a civil thing.
And the UAE uses Stoning and Flogging as punishments, and it's punishable by death to be an apostate.

[McJob]

Better choices than the Australian politicians.