Author Topic: JitankIscigarette - stirring up bullstuff in "post real life pictures of yourself"  (Read 31079 times)

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54722818e4b0b3ef26cdc085/t/5478b9f5e4b07cb49aaaf5da/1417198069241/racialandbehavior.pdf
I don't want to discredit you because I actually like how you're able to bring up relevant material instead of spewing conjecture, but this paper was published in 1979. That was a long time ago (37 years ago), and doesn't represent the present day perfectly. There's a lot of shuffle room with a new generation.

Still an interesting read. I would certainly like to see more controlled tests on the matter. The only problem is that with anything scientific , one single experiment isn't enough to render it true. But these conditions are fairly controlled, which would make it much easier to repeat, and hopefully get a similar result (at least in terms of accuracy).

It'd be interesting to see how the results differ based on who's actually being tested as well.

I don't want to discredit you because I actually like how you're able to bring up relevant material instead of spewing conjecture, but this paper was published in 1979. That was a long time ago (37 years ago), and doesn't represent the present day perfectly. There's a lot of shuffle room with a new generation.

Still an interesting read. I would certainly like to see more controlled tests on the matter. The only problem is that with anything scientific , one single experiment isn't enough to render it true. But these conditions are fairly controlled, which would make it much easier to repeat, and hopefully get a similar result (at least in terms of accuracy).

It'd be interesting to see how the results differ based on who's actually being tested as well.
Yeah it's not easy to get access to newer scholarly papers for free

well his name basically says it
"JitankIscigarette"
it's confirmed, jitank is a cigarette

If you are, that would harm a black person's chances of being hired for a job, let off with a warning by police, and many other scenarios.  They'd be more likely to be searched or charged with crimes like trespassing or criminal mischief.  They'd be more likely to be perceived as not cooperating with an officer's orders.  Those are all very negative.
But again, this has nothing to do with a fundamental belief in their minds that black people are inferior, it has to do with an unfortunate wiring in our brains that tells us that blacks are just a bit more intimidating. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not going to try to argue with your points because yes it does hurt their chances of certain things, but thankfully it's mostly avoidable if you're extra careful about your body language and speech. Spot searching on the other hand is supposedly illegal. That definitely needs to change.


A good resource for searching for journals and other resources going forward:  Google Scholar Search

Honestly, im not the best with words or debates. Ive basically been trying to say what Rave and Kishgal. If ive said anything that would have made me seem tribal, im sorry. Im really not. Some people interpret what i say differently than others.

Honestly, im not the best with words or debates. Ive basically been trying to say what Rave and Kishgal. If ive said anything that would have made me seem tribal, im sorry. Im really not. Some people interpret what i say differently than others.
Yeah, the big corps supposedly putting "hypnotism signals" is somehow related to an evolutionary response which finds black people more intimidating. Totes mcgotes br0seph.

Im really not.
When you make generalizations based on race, it means that you are tribal.  There's really no debate that could stand against that.  The only thing that can be said in your defense is philosophical and in your own subjective mind.

The best way to not discriminate against people is simply to not do so.  Discrimination, as you may already know is "to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately."  One might say "but discrimination is okay.  You need it to tell right from wrong."  Well, that person would be right, but we're talking about two very different types of discrimination here.  Discriminating in matters concerning "right and wrong" when focussing on actions alone is good.  "Murder is bad." "Stealing is bad." "Generosity is good." "Kindness is good."  These are all moral distinctions between actions.  They are discriminations, and it is rare that discrimination in this way does any harm because to some level within humanity we recognize these qualities and react to them in very specific ways.  However, when discriminating a person in the case of morality, more specifically when referring to a group, the following judgements are harmful.  "This group is tribal." "These people are bigots." "These people are kind." "These people are fair."  The ability of humans to recognize, or rather fabricate these qualities and project them on other human beings is not good discrimination.  When this is done, the individual who judged the person or group in their mind restricts the person or group from gaining merit or falling from grace.  This is harmful thinking not only because it restricts the person or group from adaptation in their mind, but also because it restricts the one who discriminates to be less open to new ideas.  Young children, for instance, who have not yet been introduced to the school of thought of discriminating upon human beings for their character, do not inherently have these characteristics.  It may not be a scholarly article, but as demonstrated in this viral YouTube video, children are introduced to the concepts of gay marriage.  You can see it here.

I suppose, however, if I should say it correctly, I should say "You are being tribal," since it attributes a practice of tribal actions to your character, not your character to define who you are in an infinitive case as is presented in the statement "You are tribal."  Saying that you are being tribal means that you can change and improve with a change in actions and thought.

Paraphrasing you,
Most people aren't aware they are doing or saying something tribal.
Yes, some people can be tribal; some know it and don't care, some are unaware.

I am referring to you, Jitank.

Sorry for double.  I realize that that source is not perfect, and some individuals within it expressed sentimentalities that were positive, and others negative.  But I mean to demonstrate my argument through certain comments of the subjects, particularly in the reaction portion of the video.

When you make generalizations based on race, it means that you are tribal.  There's really no debate that could stand against that.  The only thing that can be said in your defense is philosophical and in your own subjective mind.

The best way to not discriminate against people is simply to not do so.  Discrimination, as you may already know is "to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately."  One might say "but discrimination is okay.  You need it to tell right from wrong."  Well, that person would be right, but we're talking about two very different types of discrimination here.  Discriminating in matters concerning "right and wrong" when focussing on actions alone is good.  "Murder is bad." "Stealing is bad." "Generosity is good." "Kindness is good."  These are all moral distinctions between actions.  They are discriminations, and it is rare that discrimination in this way does any harm because to some level within humanity we recognize these qualities and react to them in very specific ways.  However, when discriminating a person in the case of morality, more specifically when referring to a group, the following judgements are harmful.  "This group is tribal." "These people are bigots." "These people are kind." "These people are fair."  The ability of humans to recognize, or rather fabricate these qualities and project them on other human beings is not good discrimination.  When this is done, the individual who judged the person or group in their mind restricts the person or group from gaining merit or falling from grace.  This is harmful thinking not only because it restricts the person or group from adaptation in their mind, but also because it restricts the one who discriminates to be less open to new ideas.  Young children, for instance, who have not yet been introduced to the school of thought of discriminating upon human beings for their character, do not inherently have these characteristics.  It may not be a scholarly article, but as demonstrated in this viral YouTube video, children are introduced to the concepts of gay marriage.  You can see it here.

I suppose, however, if I should say it correctly, I should say "You are being tribal," since it attributes a practice of tribal actions to your character, not your character to define who you are in an infinitive case as is presented in the statement "You are tribal."  Saying that you are being tribal means that you can change and improve with a change in actions and thought.

Paraphrasing you,
I am referring to you, Jitank.
Im am not a tribal. I dont think you understand fully what I am saying. There are alot of white people who do not realize they are saying or doing tribal things. Most white people dont intend to do or say tribal thing. Things that could be concidereda tribal act could be on a smaller or a larger scale. Say this, there are a good number of black people who unknowingly are rasist against them selfs.Calling me out as a razizt is kust simply not true. Maybe from the beginning I should have said that alot od people in general, majority of them being white people, dont know that they have done or said something tribal instead of saying the mojority of them are tribal.

So basically you're saying that at some point, a person has mistakenly said something that they didn't mean to say? That's one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard. That's like saying "All white people are rude as hell man."

"Sorry, I meant that at some point, all white people have said something rude."

Not only is it an incredibly weak argument but applying it to only white people is ignoring basically every other race to which it applies to equally. Why are you leaving other races out of this? Why not just say "People forget up sometimes?" You're making no sense.

Im am not a tribal. I dont think you understand fully what I am saying. There are alot of white people who do not realize they are saying or doing tribal things. Most white people dont intend to do or say tribal thing. Things that could be concidereda tribal act could be on a smaller or a larger scale. Say this, there are a good number of black people who unknowingly are rasist against them selfs.Calling me out as a razizt is kust simply not true. Maybe from the beginning I should have said that alot od people in general, majority of them being white people, dont know that they have done or said something tribal instead of saying the mojority of them are tribal.

Um:
Most people arnt aware they are doing or saying something tribal.
I guess you're not aware, but what you're doing is incredibly tribal.

Again, you're also providing no examples, and that leads me to believe you're just talking out your ass. Prove to me that "white people are being tribal by accident". Give me real examples. Not half asses sentences saying it's true because you say it is.

Let me just point out some things here.  Also I'll do you the courtesy of fixing spelling and grammatical errors.
I'm am not a tribal. I don't think you fully understand what I am saying. There are a lot of white people who do not realize that they are saying or doing tribal things, most of whom do so unintentionally. Things that could be considered tribal acts could be on a scale of varying magnitude. Suppose that there are a good number of black people who unknowingly are tribal against themselves. Calling me out as a tribal is kust* simply not true. Maybe from the beginning, I should have said that a lot of people in general, majority of them being white people, don't know that they have done or said something tribal instead of saying that the majority of them are tribal.

*I couldn't understand what this meant.

Okay, now for the brown townysis.
I'm am not a tribal.
You will need to demonstrate and prove that.  Many other users and myself demonstrated evidence that demonstrates that you are being tribal.

I don't think you fully understand what I am saying.
I completely understand what you are trying to say, and so do many other forumers who have addressed you back.

There are a lot of white people who do not realize that they are saying or doing tribal things, most of whom do so unintentionally.
I put in bold the portion that, as I explained (Quote posted below.  Click the author/time info to go to the passage), is the core of why you are being tribal.

Things that could be considered tribal acts could be on a scale of varying magnitude. Suppose that there are a good number of black people who unknowingly are tribal against themselves.
This very statement means speaks the most.  The portion in bold (Although paraphrased for clarity, I tried to remain true to the classical meaning) says that you find tribal acts, that in the following statement you said:
Calling me out as a tribal is kust* simply not true.
This means that you abide by a double standard.  You are choosing to recognize the logic that the racism of whites against blacks is bad, which I undeniably accept when it is true, but you are refusing to accept the capacity of black people to be tribal.

In the following statement:
Maybe from the beginning, I should have said that a lot of people in general, majority of them being white people, don't know that they have done or said something tribal instead of saying that the majority of them are tribal.
You have demonstrated that you are not capable of thinking past your bubble-thoughts of one-way racism.



As Ipquarx said:
That's one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

[. . .]it [is] an incredibly weak argument but applying it to only white people is ignoring basically every other race to which it applies to equally. Why are you leaving other races out of this? Why not just say "People forget up sometimes?" You're making no sense.
As this has dragged on, it has led me to conclude that you are at this stage incapable of complex thought.

I'm 18 years old. I do believe i have a grip on what I am saying.
Age has no relevance here.  People on these forums who are making the most effective arguments against you are generally around 18-20.

[. . .]some of you who believe that I'm just a black guy just putting blame on everyone else and its understandable.
It's completely understandable, and in fact, it's what's actually happening.



I double what Jubel asserts:
Again, you're also providing no examples, and that leads me to believe you're just talking out your ass. Prove to me that "white people are being tribal by accident". Give me real examples. Not half asses sentences saying it's true because you say it is.

Omfg, no forget it. You guys arnt undertanding what im trying to say. Im saying it the,best way I can but yall dont seem to get it. Ive faught this for a while and my veiw still stands. I cannot continue trying to sauy the same thing over again. Also, sometime, record proof isnt avalable to just give you. I can tell you of my experiences and others but I cant just pull a document out of nowhere.ive given instances and I had shared some articles in my previous post so yourstatement is invalid. I refuse to continously repeat the same stuff over again. Goodnight. Ill be back the the morning.