certain people in VerticalHorizon's drama topic (AFRAIDANNA, NAL, TABOO, BDARTY)

[Ipquarx]

no, it's not bait, im ranting on a serious issue.

people with this gender identity disorder ought to get help. I don't see how one can be of level mind and honestly think they were born with a vagina when they shouldve had a richard, or vice versa. Just because something offends someone doesn't mean it has to change for everyone else. I understand that many people may think it's okay and that's all well and good but I will stick to my belief on this because it's strange as forget.

Just because it's "strange as forget" (which for the average person who doesn't experience it at all is totally true) and that you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Try to read up a bit more on the subject itself, I'm sure there's plenty material on this subject.

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[SeventhSandwich]

I don't see how one can be of level mind and honestly think they were born with a vagina when they shouldve had a richard

Well, for starters, the idea of identifying as a different gender doesn't usually focus around genitals specifically. That's why a lot of transgneder people don't opt for those kinds of surgeries.

[·:Taboo:·]

Like you've never done that before.

I'm not seeing any "victim status" or anything here, just stupidity. Maybe to get attention, but considering Planr, probably just stupidity. I applaud you digging that out from a year ago to try, anyway.

[Planr]

Like you've never done that before.

How does that even remotely count? I was stating the reality of things in that post. Nowhere did I attribute it to myself or even talk about myself in any way. You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, there.

Weren't you just telling me that respect is freely handed out to everyone, even people who give their loved ones fictitious cases of cancer?

lovin' the strawman m8


If you reread my posts in Ocelotus's drama, you will see I was talking about learning to forgive people, and not automatically assume they're always lying just because of their past.

[Jubel]

If you reread my posts in Ocelotus's drama, you will see I was talking about learning to forgive people, and not automatically assume they're always lying just because of their past.

history is bound to repeat itself planr

amen

[Planr]

history is bound to repeat itself planr

indeed, as was proven to me that day when ocelotus committed forum Self Delete (again).

[Jubel]

indeed, as was proven to me that day when ocelotus committed forum Self Delete (again).

but like thats the thing

if beyond a reasonable doubt it's going to happen again, why waste breath initially
forgive and forget is a good thing man but zedrow is a lost cause at this point...

[Planr]

but like thats the thing

if beyond a reasonable doubt it's going to happen again, why waste breath initially
forgive and forget is a good thing man but zedrow is a lost cause at this point...

you're right, i suppose at the time my lack of prior experience with zedrow led me to feel excessively forgiving towards him

but hey, that's grace man

[Maxxi]

No matter how forgeted up or insensitive it is, everyone has the right to voice an opinion.

[SWAT One]

These are my concerns, in complete honesty.

Before I discuss my concerns, I must concede a few points, else I will be untrue to myself presently and my true views would be improperly left at the reader's discretion.

I believe in the individual's right to an autonomous mind.  Everyone has the right to agree, disagree, or to assert their own as part of their rights as a human.  Everyone has their own right within their minds to think what they wish—I know I have at least some people on the forum who don't like me, and though I may be adding more with this post, and I wish you could all agree, I know that won't happen, and it is healthy to disagree sometimes, and perhaps excercising it in response to this what is good for you.  Everyone thinks and feels differently.

With that, even if by some's definition, transloveualism is a paraphilia, mental disorder, etc., they are still people entitled to an autonomous mind.

Okay here we go:

Suppose you are a man or a woman with a fully functional body in every way, and then suppose that one day, you want to be the other love for whatever reason.  In order to do so, you then have to subject your body to hormone levels that are unsuited to your genetic make-up, and could even be unsafe.  You might even go as far as surgically removing parts, and transplanting new ones in.  Your body may or may not accept them.  Your skeletal system may not be built for it.  It's a lot of stress to put on a body not suited for it.

It is a level of ungratefulness of their own body that concerns me.
It is the extent of stress that one would subject their body to for an end that may or may not satisfy them that disturbs me.
It is the mindset that one can do anything to their body, and if further entitled, to others' bodies, without foreseen or unforeseen consequence that worries me the most—and I am not referring to just transloveualism.  If today's definition of "keeping an open mind" means embracing any and all change and driving headlong into tomorrow with reckless abandon, then it lacks sensibility, and I want no part in it.  I am no nay-sayer for change, because embracing some level of change is healthy for creating a better social atmosphere.  However, I believe that with some issues of consequence that have strong bearings on the future, one should tread lightly.

[Camel]

taboo ain't anti-tranloveual(at least from your examples), he's just anti attention seeking.

[Silreath]

Pointless thread. transmissions are weird as forget bro, end of story

If it's not bait... you're just an starfish. A big one.

[Daswiruch]

Okay here we go:

Suppose you are a man or a woman with a fully functional body in every way, and then suppose that one day, you want to be the other love for whatever reason.  In order to do so, you then have to subject your body to hormone levels that are unsuited to your genetic make-up, and could even be unsafe.  You might even go as far as surgically removing parts, and transplanting new ones in.  Your body may or may not accept them.  Your skeletal system may not be built for it.  It's a lot of stress to put on a body not suited for it.

I'm going to attempt to educate you with my knowledge on the subject of transgender(?-ism)
afaik/iirc humans have both estrogen and testosterone at birth and the xx/xy chromosome pairs determine if you get a higher amount of estrogen/testosterone respectively
all the hormones do is change how you look on the outside from a small amount to a very large amount and change some of your functions (thinking, fat storing, etc.) when transgender people are taking them
i don't understand how you got skeletal system from any of this as human skeletons, even though they are not built for this, can support weights up to like 500 pounds
of course it's a lot of stress, but the body adapts to it

You might even go as far as surgically removing parts, and transplanting new ones in.

that's not how transgender surgery works
the genitals are inverted or everted and turned into pseudo-genitals of the opposite love and the surgeons rerout everything

[SeventhSandwich]

How does that even remotely count? I was stating the reality of things in that post.

"This isn't a blatant hypocrisy because what I'm saying is true!"

lovin' the strawman m8

It's literally what you said. I don't know how you can call that a 'strawman' when it's what you wrote. What am I modifying or changing exactly?

If you reread my posts in Ocelotus's drama, you will see I was talking about learning to forgive people, and not automatically assume they're always lying just because of their past.

Oh, I spoke too soon.

I get it now. There's a difference between 'respect' and automatically exonerating people of responsibility.

The second one is even more stupid.

[Headcrab Zombie]

Suppose you are a man or a woman with a fully functional body in every way, and then suppose that one day, you want to be the other love for whatever reason. 

This isn't how transgender works. You don't just wake up one day and go "wow i rly want to be a girl now"

In order to do so, you then have to subject your body to hormone levels that are unsuited to your genetic make-up, and could even be unsafe.  You might even go as far as surgically removing parts, and transplanting new ones in.  Your body may or may not accept them.  Your skeletal system may not be built for it.  It's a lot of stress to put on a body not suited for it.

You don't just decide "I'm going to do it today" and go down to the corner store and pick up your hormone pills then stop by a surgeon. It's a process that requires (depending on the doctor; most do because ethics) getting the approval of a psychiatrist and physician who are going to determine if this is the best for you.

No matter how forgeted up or insensitive it is, everyone has the right to voice an opinion.

And then everyone has the right to talk about how forgeted up or insensitive said  forgeted up or insensitive opinions are