Author Topic: This is why I kept my views on feminism away from my family.  (Read 30011 times)

I searched for "gender femenism" and came up with nothing. Clearly, it isn't that widely in use. And again, pointless labels. Why does it matter to you so much if someone is labeled something in particular? Fight ideas and individuals.

Just 30.1 million results.

I'm saying feminists advocate for superiority without even realizing it.
You ask us for sources but I'd really likes yours for this aside from "my mom took away my oreos"

Nah nah nah nah nah. Radical feminists or not, they are still a piece of the movement. You either accept that a movement is flawed, and instead of trying to change my mind, change theirs. Fix their beliefs. If the problem is within, don't blame the criticizers. It is observable feminism. I'm not saying each feminist is a misandrist. I'm saying feminists advocate for superiority without even realizing it. It sounds ridiculous on the surface, but through examples, it makes more sense. If you would like to get a general idea of where I and others like myself are coming from, I recommend watching Vernaculis' video, "Social Justice Cry-Cis". It outlines everything pretty well. Watch the intro at least.

so by this logic, how are you not advocating for equity of men because they're being opressed by women

Nah nah nah nah nah. Radical feminists or not, they are still a piece of the movement. You either accept that a movement is flawed, and instead of trying to change my mind, change theirs. Fix their beliefs. If the problem is within, don't blame the criticizers. It is observable feminism. I'm not saying each feminist is a misandrist. I'm saying feminists advocate for superiority without even realizing it. It sounds ridiculous on the surface, but through examples, it makes more sense. If you would like to get a general idea of where I and others like myself are coming from, I recommend watching Vernaculis' video, "Social Justice Cry-Cis". It outlines everything pretty well. Watch the intro at least.
I'm not understanding where you're coming from here. You're saying that every single person out there who is for women having equal rights is secretly calling out for female superiority? Explain your logic mister

Its contents are not described by things outside of it, however, in this case, the dictionary. It is defined by what it puts forward itself.
i'm not sure i understand what you're saying here. are you meaning to say that an idea's core content can be evaluated based on the actions of those who have supposedly corrupted that content? for instance, if i were to come to the conclusion that the big bang theory is inherently flawed because of misinformation presented by a science teacher? or that the republican platform has no basis because a public official has aggressive political tactics?
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yeah opposing "feminism" is stupid because its meaning is so broad. i dont suppose most people here disagree with "gender equality" and that is an often cited definition of feminism, what gives any one definition of feminism priority over the other? why does feminism mean man-hate/supremacy to some people?

there is no "real feminism". just people doing stuff and organizing under the flag of feminism

I actually did not see this. I just rode my bike to my mom's house. I don't understand which side he's arguing, because it does not seem comparable.
The only word I can use to describe you right now is "dull." Think that encapsulates it neatly.

yeah opposing "feminism" is stupid because its meaning is so broad. i dont suppose most people here disagree with "gender equality" and that is an often cited definition of feminism, what gives any one definition of feminism priority over the other? why does feminism mean man-hate/supremacy to some people?

there is no "real feminism". just people doing stuff and organizing under the flag of feminism
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yeah opposing "feminism" is stupid because its meaning is so broad. i dont suppose most people here disagree with "gender equality" and that is an often cited definition of feminism, what gives any one definition of feminism priority over the other? why does feminism mean man-hate/supremacy to some people?

there is no "real feminism". just people doing stuff and organizing under the flag of feminism
I don't understand what the emphasis on "meaning" is. It's the actions and the reactions of those actions I oppose.
I'm not understanding where you're coming from here. You're saying that every single person out there who is for women having equal rights is secretly calling out for female superiority? Explain your logic mister
Think about it. If women are already guaranteed equal protection under the law, yet you keep pushing, you push it over the line of equality. What is it called when it is past equality?
i'm not sure i understand what you're saying here. are you meaning to say that an idea's core content can be evaluated based on the actions of those who have supposedly corrupted that content? for instance, if i were to come to the conclusion that the big bang theory is inherently flawed because of misinformation presented by a science teacher? or that the republican platform has no basis because a public official has aggressive political tactics?
Not at all. I'm saying that its core content is exhibited by its actions. Always. If not, then the movement is self-contradictory.
Woah WOAH there, slow down. Modern feminism is still equality, just with a couple outliers. Sure, there are people who want all men dead, but that still doesn't change the argument. Sure, perscriptivism still exists, but everything has it's unique attributes and connotations, still staying to the same definition with quirks here and there.

And yes, feminism is still needed. Do I consider myself a feminist? No. Do I agree with all of their ideals? No. But the fact of the matter is that women still face several problems, such as abortion rights, and in other countries, general rights in the first place. In fact, when we spread to the whole world and say "the world doesn't need feminism", this is radically incorrect. Sure, you might say "oh women can still live though", but women are not useless, and many countries still treat them this way.

You need to look at this argument in a bigger picture, instead of just crying over how "wah wah wah this one girl got a cookie and I didn't".
I have never said nor heard it said that feminism is not needed in the world. I advocate for a womens' suffrage movement in areas of the world where it is needed. America and the first world are simply not those parts. Inequality is not the same as problems unique to women. Even if it was, that would also have to include the problems exclusive to men, which you can rarely get a feminist to do so much as acknowledge. Either way it's forgeted.

You ask us for sources but I'd really likes yours for this aside from "my mom took away my oreos"
It is not a source in usual terms, but I have given you a video that explains my position as accurate as possible coming from someone else. The rest is personal experience and observations. I have some screenshots on my phone if you'd like them.

If women are already guaranteed equal protection under the law, yet you keep pushing, you push it over the line of equality. What is it called when it is past equality?
Women are not guaranteed equal protection under the law.

Do you have a comprehension of the difference between "de jure" and "de facto." Truth is the world does not operate how the laws make it, lol.

Not at all. I'm saying that its core content is exhibited by its actions. Always. If not, then the movement is self-contradictory.
so then, your problem isn't that you believe the idea of feminism is disagreeable, your problem is that your experiences have led you to believe that feminism is being misrepresented?

so then, your problem isn't that you believe the idea of feminism is disagreeable, your problem is that your experiences have led you to believe that feminism is being misrepresented?
In a way, I suppose. My experiences and observations of others' experiences have led me to realize that feminism is no longer an equality movement. It is a cult of sorts.

In a way, I suppose. My experiences and observations of others' experiences have led me to realize that feminism is no longer an equality movement. It is a cult of sorts.

Yes, but this is based off of your experiences, which may or may not be biased due to over-exposure to a minority. Logical feminism, and what is teached in schools (trust me my history and language classes focus on gender rights) teach legitimate equality, unlike your experiences of the feminist zealots.