This is why I kept my views on feminism away from my family.

[ultimamax]

Sorry for the triple(?) post, but of course there will be opposition. Are you suggesting that women should be uncontested when they invade another person's rights themselves? Your rights end where another's begins. I do not wish to turn this into an abortion debate.

I'm saying regardless of what you believe about abortions, most harpys consider it an issue that is still being fought (legislatively speaking) today, which necessitates a movement. It's not like everyone is equal already (in their eyes, at least) I'm not saying they should be uncontested at all, you've misunderstood. You are allowed to disagree, but that does not make the movement toxic, that just means they hold different beliefs than you

Feminism, the way it is represented as a whole, is not taken too far necessarily in terms of radicalization, but just incorrectness. I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in equality can believe that equality is one-sided. Even in the dictionary definition harpys love so much, it says "for women".

Well it says "for women" because for most of human history men have been in power in most parts of the world. It seeks to prevent women from being disadvantaged for their gender.

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[Col. Derontchi]

Abortion is not murder, because murder is unlawful. No matter what way you look at it, you cannot change the definition of murder.

So because abortion is allowed by law, it cannot be murder? Not sound logic. Oh, the irony. You are the only one changing the definition, dear. End of discussion,'please, unless you'd like to PM me.

is the sperm cell or the egg cell the one you consider to be human?

the fertilized egg.

give me 5 reasons why this is a human and it should be saved

Because it is an individual human life with its own unique set of DNA.

By this logic so is the puss that flows out from my ingrown toe.

It has my DNA, it has the everything else of a human. Better abort my loving toe.

It is not a human life though. It is not offspring. I said offspring. But you know what, fine. You're right. Discussion's over now. Back on topic.

I think I understand where this is coming from, you're saying that because women and men have actual differences, cognitive and physicality-wise, that they can never be equal?

I'd also like to clear up some confusion here: What exactly do you mean by feminism? Do you mean the textbook definition "Women should be equal to men" or some other mess of definitions? Even within feminist circles, there are clashing ideas. That's the problem with using the term feminism here, you really should be more specific if you want this discussion to get anywhere (And I know you want it to)

I mean modern feminism, third wave feminism. You're over-brown townyzing a bit there. Equality is achieved legally. Unless feminists define equality as lack of gender-specific issues, which even then, its lack of addresses to the gender-specific issues of men prevents any kind of equality under feminism from existing either way.

[Darryl McKoy]

didn't answer my question

[Col. Derontchi]

didn't answer my question

At which stage?

I'm saying regardless of what you believe about abortions, most harpys consider it an issue that is still being fought (legislatively speaking) today, which necessitates a movement. It's not like everyone is equal already (in their eyes, at least) I'm not saying they should be uncontested at all, you've misunderstood. You are allowed to disagree, but that does not make the movement toxic, that just means they hold different beliefs than you
Well it says "for women" because for most of human history men have been in power in most parts of the world. It seeks to prevent women from being disadvantaged for their gender.

I'm not saying it's the difference in opinion that makes it toxic. Tell you what. Watch the video Social Justice Cry-Cis by Youtuber Vernaculis. He can articulate his points much better than I can. At least watch the intro.

[ZombiLoin]

It's ironic because abortion and it's perception in the eyes of the law is one of the major tenets of current feminism. You're a walking cause for feminism, lol.

[Darryl McKoy]

At which stage?

at the stages where abortions are allowed obviously

[Jshotgun]

yeesh, meth addict dad, then something bad happens, now your mom thinks you're a rapist and/or hate women

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[Jubel]

with its own unique set of DNA

cancer cells have their own unique set of DNA
any mutated cells in your body have unique sets of DNA

How does a zygote have "a human life" when it's actions are pre-determined by basic laws of biochemistry, and not from a programmable source known as a brain.

[Ipquarx]

I mean modern feminism, third wave feminism. You're over-brown townyzing a bit there. Equality is achieved legally. Unless feminists define equality as lack of gender-specific issues, which even then, its lack of addresses to the gender-specific issues of men prevents any kind of equality under feminism from existing either way.

Even third wave feminism is still too ambiguous, within literally every single feminism group out there, there are majorly clashing ideas. Third wave feminism doesn't even have a strict definition, it's an order of magnitude more ambiguous than just "feminism."

From wikipedia: "Third-wave feminism refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present."

And no, this is not over-brown townyzing, you're trying to argue that an entire group of people, every individual having different beliefs, many clashing with one another, that every single one of them is wrong. You're going to have to attack a specific idea (Preferably one that's provably held by the majority) if you want to have any remote chance of success.

[HellHound]

So because abortion is allowed by law, it cannot be murder? Not sound logic. Oh, the irony. You are the only one changing the definition, dear. End of discussion,'please, unless you'd like to PM me

Please tell me where this mentions abortion. I don't have my glasses with me, but I'm fairly certain that I'm not changing the definition. While you can argue that fetuses are human beings, it's not considered illegal to kill them. Therefor, it is not murder.

[Nonnel]

would you care if you were aborted before you'd ever gained consciousness?

[Oasis]

would you care if you were aborted before you'd ever gained consciousness?

No.

did this thread seriously transition to abortions?

[Col. Derontchi]

would you care if you were aborted before you'd ever gained consciousness?

No because I am physically unable. Stupid question. So what makes a human a human by your standards?

It's ironic because abortion and it's perception in the eyes of the law is one of the major tenets of current feminism. You're a walking cause for feminism, lol.

I'm against feminism therefore you need more feminism. Key characteristic of a cult. Please keep all abortion-related topics in PM as I've been asking.

I'm throwing in the towel for the most part. If I don't get back to you tonight, I will tomorrow.

[ultimamax]

I'm not saying it's the difference in opinion that makes it toxic. Tell you what. Watch the video Social Justice Cry-Cis by Youtuber Vernaculis. He can articulate his points much better than I can. At least watch the intro.

I'm not even going to watch it, I'm going to guess it's just reactionary "look at these terrible harpys do X" with quick cuts and pandering

Unless it presents some argument why fundamentally feminism (the ENTIRE BROAD SPECTRUM OF CLASHING IDEALS AND BELIEFS) is toxic and not just specific interpretations, then I'd be glad to watch it

[Col. Derontchi]

I'm not even going to watch it, I'm going to guess it's just reactionary "look at these terrible harpys do X" with quick cuts and pandering

Unless it presents some argument why fundamentally feminism (the ENTIRE BROAD SPECTRUM OF CLASHING IDEALS AND BELIEFS) is toxic and not just specific interpretations, then I'd be glad to watch it

Yes, that's exactly what it is. It's a feature film that addresses each part of modern feminism.. It's the same points just better articulation.

Even third wave feminism is still too ambiguous, within literally every single feminism group out there, there are majorly clashing ideas. Third wave feminism doesn't even have a strict definition, it's an order of magnitude more ambiguous than just "feminism."

From wikipedia: "Third-wave feminism refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present."

And no, this is not over-brown townyzing, you're trying to argue that an entire group of people, every individual having different beliefs, many clashing with one another, that every single one of them is wrong. You're going to have to attack a specific idea (Preferably one that's provably held by the majority) if you want to have any remote chance of success.

I'm saying that each of those branches are the same in the terms of toxicity and/or uselessness. I have been addressing specific issues this ENTIRE TIME. There's rape culture, culture appropriation, political correctness, equal pay, radical, equity, empowerment, gender, the list goes on.