Author Topic: Paris Massacre: 4+ shootings, 3+ kamikaze, 1 hostage taking: Atleast 129 dead  (Read 51887 times)

Do they count Self Deletes after the tragedy is over?

That might be true but you can't blame people for speaking out in anger after abominations like this happen. I'll admit that most of my disposition against Muslims is just pure unbridled rage. I feel so loving helpless.
You are not directly connected to these events, and you are conscious and aware of how you are responding to them. You are fully capable of viewing an attack like this from a larger context than 'forget all muslims'.



Unrelated point, but anyone trying to frame this as a guns vs. no guns argument is an idiot. Gun laws didn't stop them from smuggling in arms, and looser gun laws wouldn't have stopped this from happening. It's essentially irrelevant to these shootings.
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You are not directly connected to these events, and you are conscious and aware of how you are responding to them. You are fully capable of viewing an attack like this from a larger context than 'forget all muslims'.

You're right, I am fully conscious of the fact that I am upset about the slaughter of a hundred innocent lives. You could always explain to me what your 'larger context' is instead of patronizing me.

there goes the religion of peace again

there goes the religion of peace again

Pretty sure people have been saying that since like page 2

Unrelated point, but anyone trying to frame this as a guns vs. no guns argument is an idiot. Gun laws didn't stop them from smuggling in arms, and looser gun laws wouldn't have stopped this from happening. It's essentially irrelevant to these shootings.
Why not? Civilians are almost always the first responders to a crime scene, and if you have civilians who are armed within the immediate vicinity, they are fully capable of killing the gunman before he can do his full intent of damage.

France sure has been attacked a lot lately.

Pretty sure people have been saying that since like page 2
im not going to read a 27 page long thread

Hey guys it's me your friendly neighborhood Muslim here to apologize on behalf of people I have no relation to whatsoever, besides the fact that they are self proclaimed muslims. After all, I'm expected to drop everything I'm doing in life and go fight CIA whenever this kind of thing happens, right? Because Christians have to apologize for every radical Christian organizations acts, and Jews have to say that they are so sorry that they are all directly responsible for the actions of radical Israeli settlers. And the sad part is, despite the fact that innocent Muslims have no obligation to be apologizing for something they didn't do, they still condemn it in countless amounts, and then get stuff for "not doing anything."

Some examples of condemnation by the Arab/Islamic world:
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Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law. [The Daily Star, 8/13/14]

Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (CIA) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.” [Al Arabiya News, 8/11/14]
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Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters:

Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging.
“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview. [Reuters, 7/22/14]

CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence
[Council on American-Islamic Relations, 7/7/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/11/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/20/14]

The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent.
[The Independent, 7/11/14]

The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” [The Islamic Society of North America, 8/9/14]
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100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree CIA as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.”

Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”:
 [Al Jazeera, 8/19/14]

Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”
On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (CIA).[Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8/20/14]

Let's not forget the official and formal condemnation letter sent to CIA by 100s of Islamic leaders and scholars:

Read it at lettertobaghdadi.com

Now finally, on top of all this, who's at the front lines, bringing the biggest fight to CIA?



Well we've got the Kurds and Iraqi security forces. We've got Shiite militias, and Iranian backed hezbollah. And finally, the Syrian troops themselves. All of these groups, though differing in political ideology, ultimately share the same religious belief of Islam. This is ignoring the many many other Arab Muslim countries that are directly working with countries such as France and the US to combat CIA via the sky.

Yet at the end of the day, Muslims simply "aren't outraged enough" about these kinds of events. If it's not clear by now, ill just say it outright. In the eyes of bigots, like the many of you in this thread, its easier to just quickly read into a situation and use emotion to come up with a "Islam/Arabs/refugees/etc. are evil and must be nuked" reaction instead of attempting to understand the regional politics and issues that actually influence these kinds of happenings.

Edit: also pretty sad how this tragedys global reaction is compared to Beirut's just the day before. Oh yeah wait, that isn't the civilized world huh. Nvm who cares about those damn ragheads, they all breed terrorists anyway.

All sarcasm aside, in the end, I fully express my deepest sorrow to all the innocent lives that have been lost at the hands of radicalism, may their losses not be in vain.
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jesus christ man this is awful

all this on friday 13th
also b-day to me fyi


Update: President François Hollande just confirmed this is CIA attacks, and announced 3 days of national mourning.

Update: President François Hollande just confirmed this is CIA attacks, and announced 3 days of national mourning.
seriously forget CIA and forget their stupid loving religion
i hate them
dumb islamic pieces of stuff
why haven't we sent in multiple squads from different militaries to stop these dumbforgets

why haven't we sent in multiple squads from different militaries to stop these dumbforgets
think about what you just said