STARWARS EPISODE VII: The Force awakens / Episode 8?! Already?

[Tumbleweed]

They make the original trilogy and everyone loves it. They make the prequels and everyone says how it's nothing like the original trilogy. They make this movie and everyone says how much it's like the original movies. Make up your mind people lol.

This so much

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[Hardy619]

It's meant to be a Star Wars for the new generation, right? So I think that The Force Awakens having an identical/similar plot to A New Hope is good.

Also, I think the fact that Kylo Ren can stop a laser shot mid-air makes sense, because I can imagine that 30 years after what happened in the original trilogy, people will discover new tricks and methods of using the force, that even Darth Vader didn't know.

Overall, I think the gripes are minor, and I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Seeing it in IMAX made it even better.

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The national socialist references in this movie were not subtle
Also I had to go to the bathroom right when they started blowing up planets :'(

[KickFlow]

I had to go to the bathroom

Also I had to go to the bathroom right when they started blowing up planets :'(

holy stuff go before the movie lol i saw it twice and didn't have to go/could hold it till the end.

What do you think about Kylo and Luke meeting again and Kylo dragging Luke to the dark side?

Never going to happen because 1) kylo ain't that persuasive. 2) luke is fully trained and can control his emotions. If it does then I'd hate whoever writes that.

any idea has to who the knights of ren are?

they might be some of luke's former apprentices, from when he tried to rebuild the jedi order

The knights of Ren are (what i believe) a group of teenagers that were friends with Ben Solo while growing up. Ben fell to the dark side, and wanted to for a rebellious group with them, and they called themselves "The Knights of Ren,"

[SBG]

holy stuff go before the movie lol i saw it twice and didn't have to go/could hold it till the end.

I drank too much battery acid during the movie so that made me have to go bad at the end

[sir dooble]

any idea has to who the knights of ren are?

they might be some of luke's former apprentices, from when he tried to rebuild the jedi order

From what I gathered all of Luke's apprentices were killed by Ren.
The Knights of Ren are probably force-sensitives from the First Order, also being trained by Snoke.
I saw the film yesterday and I absolutely loved it.

[Frontrox]

Has anyone else asked how the forget REY BEAT KYLO

He was injured

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lolno. Hes unconsious in a forest, no one knows and the planet explodes like 1 min later. He gets blown up.

ok say he does die
1. han solos death suddenly becomes pointless because ben solos character development doesn't matter if he dies ten minutes later
2. snoke says he will complete his training which will be a pointless scene if he dies in the next shot

its like people can't think for themselves and want the movies to be like the prequels where it explains everything for you lmao

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Star Wars II/III problem: no one likes the pissy teenage villain
Star Wars VII solution: new pissy teenage villain

[Camel]

Star Wars II/III problem: no one likes the pissy teenage villain
Star Wars VII solution: new pissy teenage villain

true but what makes kylo good is that he actually looks like a pissy teen now instead of a weird effeminate cyborg

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

anakin was a poorly written, non-dynamic character. nothing about what he did makes much sense, and neither does the stuff that happens to him. lucas knew what he wanted in the end, but had no idea how to get there.
the new villain is, if nothing else, interesting. we don't know how his story ends like we did with anakin. he might turn good, he might continue being an evil starfish. that alone sets him about the episode II/III anakin.

true but what makes kylo good is that he actually looks like a pissy teen now instead of a weird effeminate cyborg

the falling in love scenes in episode two were the worst thing in the world. i couldn't like him as an actor, how a high-class galactic republic senator could fall for him is fully beyond me. like, he even tells her that he totally went and killed a village of sand people, women, children and after all that and she was still into this dude.

if movie anakin was able to have kids then there might be hope for me yet lmao

[sir dooble]

He was injured

Plus obviously not as skilled in saber fighting as using the force.

[Alternat¡ve]

Star Wars II/III problem: no one likes the pissy teenage villain
Star Wars VII solution: new pissy teenage villain

yeah but ben solos story is what anakins story should have been like

nobody dislikes a character type or trope if you it right

[SlayerZ99]

Never going to happen because 1) kylo ain't that persuasive. 2) luke is fully trained and can control his emotions. If it does then I'd hate whoever writes that.

But at the end of the Return of the Jedi we already kinda start to see Luke's personality and emotions change to that of his father

aka i stole it from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMHrOivM5bI

[Planr]

Just came back from the movie. It was alright in some ways but in other ways I absolutely hated it.
The following is what I disliked the most:

• Despite the VAST volumes of Expanded Universe literature and stories he could've used, JJ permitted the movie to literally just copy the entire plot of Episode 4. Starting out scenes over desert planet, crash landing on desert planet, little droid that contains secret information, important character who has lived on desert planet and can aspire to much more, bar scene with a bunch of random aliens, giant enemy superweapon the size of a large astronomical body, stormtroopers being dumb, etc etc etc, the list goes on and on. Instead of something more original and interesting, JJ decided to settle for recycling old plots like the unimaginative  peabrain that he is. I got a similar feel when he decided to recycle many of the plot elements of Space Seed and Wrath of Khan for Star Trek Into Darkness.
• As is typical of many JJ Abrams movies, have the action moving at such a ridiculously fast pace and with such intensity that it overwhelms the audience and they struggle to keep up. What made the originals so good was how simplistic, real, and decently paced their action scenes were, especially the space battles. In the new film, all the action is flooded with tons of explosions, debris, light flares, fake CGI, cutoff shots and motion blur every single millisecond, with so much stuff happening on the screen that you can't catch it all. Its stupid and dull.
• JJ said there would be lots of practical effects like how the original movies were done, but all I saw was more prequel-esque CGI bullcrap. You could easily tell that all the ship battles were fake CGI as were all the fake aliens, especially in the bar scene. Hell, the CGI space battles from Revenge of the Sith looked far more real than this crap, and they were made 10 years ago. Part of the time I felt like I was actually watching a Guardians of the Galaxy movie doing a Star Wars parody.
• The prolonged, torturous and horrific death of Han Solo. Since JJ had already copied all the original elements on Episode 4, he should've at least had Han's death be short, honorable and heroic, like Obi Wan's was. Instead they dragged it out and made us watch the horrific expressions on Han's face as Kylo Ren stabbed him through with his Lightsaber. To me the way they portrayed it made Han look like a helpless wimp. I'm well aware though that in the EU Chewie died instead in the Yuuzhan Vong war (come to think of it a yuuzhan vong story arc would have been much more interesting), leaving Han the survivor, and that now JJ has flipped it around. I feel real sorry for Chewie now though because he has lost his lifelong best friend to an angsty emotional teenage bitch, which brings me to my next point.
• Kylo Ren. This has to be the most angsty and immature Star Wars villain I have ever seen. He's an emotional manchild who throws temper tantrums when things don't go his way. When his surbordinates fail to accomplish the missions he gives them, he doesn't kill them and instead rages and destroys everything in sight with his lightsaber. He reacts the same way a small child does when they get their favorite toy taken away. Add to that the fact that his officers not only aren't afraid of him, but they also TALK DOWN to him in front of his face and he doesn't do anything about it. In stark contrast, Darth Vader was a total badass. Nobody messed with him, and practically everyone was afraid of him. Whenever things went wrong for him, he quietly confronted the person responsible for the mess-up and coldly killed them right on the spot. His whole demeanor spoke professionallism and someone who had real depth to him. It took us until the end of Episode 6 to finally get to see all aspects of Vader's character and personality. But with Kylo Ren, we learn everything about him in Episode 7. We see his troubled side fairly quickly after he is introduced, and we see soon afterwards his inner conflict between wanting to follow the dark side and his pull by the light. He cries like a baby and yells in anger/pain like Prequel Anakin, which for me gives him a big thumbs down.
• The dictatorial "we will crush the republic" speech given by General Hux or whatever his name was. As others have mentioned already, the national socialist symbolism here was far too strong and it made the scene overall look incredibly bad, like it was trying too hard.
• The way the movie ended was so BAD. Like, that ending scene where Rey goes to Easter Island Planet and meets Luke should've been the opening scene to the NEXT star wars movie. It would've played out so much better if they had just showed the Millenium Falcon leaving the Resistance planet and jumping to lightspeed with Rey and Chewie going off to find Luke, kind of how Episode 5 ended.

Anyways, those are my pet peeves/criticisms of the movie. I know some may disagree with me but I am a diehard fan of the originals and after seeing how JJ messed up Star Trek so bad with his crappy reboots, I am very saddened to see how he has now treated Star Wars.