POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[SeventhSandwich]

those are suspiciously old series agreements you're saying right here and considering how the US fought wars after 1949, examples like vietnam and such, wouldn't that series of agreements be broken?

The Geneva Convention is still very much enforced.

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The Geneva Convention is still very much enforced.

what about the vietnam war and the korean war then? if the convention was still enforced at those times why did the USA go to fight at the war anyway?

world history has taught me about the wars but they didn't tell me about the geneva convention being involved....i really really wonder.

[Drydess]

you realize that in the event of a concerted nuclear attack that multiple decoys will be fired to waste the defense system's ammunition and time, right? missile defense systems are not foolproof and the added uncertainty as to which incoming missiles are live warheads further reduces their efficacy
because those people propped up a militant regime for so long that it not only produced a fully developed nuclear program but developed the necessary infrastructure to successfully conduct a nuclear strike on another world power, and a complete failure to respond in any immediate way only enables this regime to continue to produce and deploy nuclear weapons. this emboldens other regimes with nuclear aspirations and tells them there will be no immediate fatal consequences for their own deployment of nuclear weapons

a conventional invasion of north korea would take months at best. they have 13 million available for military service that can conduct a guerrilla campaign for years while the government goes into hiding.

correct me if im wrong but considering north korea is stuck a communist state (along with its physical size), it's considerably less sophisticated than us, a global power with access to every sort of arms and the diplomatic power to call aid from powerful allies (for the time being). missile defense systems aren't foulproof, but they are damn good against something as relatively minimal as korea

granted in the event of an unprovoked attack from nk, we'd need to act fast against them, a diplomatic invasion first would probably be necessary--hell even performing a coup would be great if we were ever given permission from the UN to do so

what about the vietnam war and the korean war then? if the convention was still enforced at those times why did the USA go to war anyway?

world history has taught me about the wars but they didn't tell me about the geneva convention being involved....i really really wonder.

containing communism was considered a larger issue than you'd think
along with that, south korea and vietnam were invaded first, we got motive to go to war so we were given permission

[Nonnel]

what about the vietnam war and the korean war then? if the convention was still enforced at those times why did the USA go to fight at the war anyway?

world history has taught me about the wars but they didn't tell me about the geneva convention being involved....i really really wonder.

the US was not (supposedly) ordering the execution of civilians or POWs during Vietnam or the Korean War.

[SeventhSandwich]

what about the vietnam war and the korean war then? if the convention was still enforced at those times why did the USA go to fight at the war anyway?

The Geneva Convention does not say you can't go to war - it's a set of international laws about mistreatment of non-combatants, like civilians POWs and wounded soldiers. It bans stuff like chemical warfare and torturing POWs.

[Kearn]

ok so the conclusion i have reached is that we should get rid of all of our nukes and if someone nukes us just say "hey thats not fair" and conduct a years-long guerrilla campaign a la vietnam against a rogue nuclear state. wcgw

[Red Spy]

The Geneva Convention was basically written as a response to the national socialists committing a bunch of war crimes. It doesn't actually stop wars or anything. It tries to makes wars as safe and short as possible

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The Geneva Convention does not say you can't go to war - it's a set of international laws about mistreatment of non-combatants, like civilians POWs and wounded soldiers. It bans stuff like chemical warfare and torturing POWs.

thought it said something like the incapability to fight but that makes more sense after like a google search, i guess i was being lazy on my part

if that was the case i guess we're talking about nuclear warfare which is chemical warfare here, but we can still go to war with our US army and military to NK then right?

[Drydess]

ok so the conclusion i have reached is that we should get rid of all of our nukes and if someone nukes us just say "hey thats not fair" and conduct a years-long guerrilla campaign a la vietnam against a rogue nuclear state. wcgw

sure, if that's how you'd like to think about it. diplomacy and public support has a lot of power

[Nonnel]

thought it said something like the incapability to fight but that makes more sense after like a google search, i guess i was being lazy on my part

if that was the case i guess we're talking about nuclear warfare which is chemical warfare here, but we can still go to war with our US army and military to NK then right?

of course

[Red Spy]

diplomacy stops nukes

[Drydess]

diplomacy stops nukes

diplomacy and defense stops killing, what's your issue with that

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diplomacy stops nukes

[Speech 100] Kim, you're being stupid about this. Refresh your mind for a minute and think about what you're doing here with those nukes.

[SeventhSandwich]

if that was the case i guess we're talking about nuclear warfare which is chemical warfare here

Nuclear Warfare doesn't count as chemical warfare (if I recall), but there are a lot of UN agreements, punishable by Security Council sanctions, which make it very difficult to use nuclear weapons. Basically any use of nuclear weaponry will result in enough civilian casualties and wanton destruction that at least some law will be broken.

Partial Test Ban Treaty and Outer Space Treaty prevent the testing of nuclear weapons underwater, in orbit, and in outer space. The non-proliferation treaty makes it illegal to transfer nuclear weapons (especially to countries without them), and encourages countries to gradually disarm themselves.

Although in the event that we have two major powers with nuclear arms sending ICBMs at each other, this would all quickly go out the window. Hence the importance of disarmament.

[Drydess]

[Speech 100] Kim, you're being stupid about this. Refresh your mind for a minute and think about what you're doing here with those nukes.

this made my day lol