POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[SeventhSandwich]

A childhood friend wont stop doing heroine,she's overdosed multiple times, it will kill her, and it all started from when she did pot.

it sounds to me like it started when she did heroin

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[Master Matthew²]

We aren't in disagreement that heroin is bad. It is terrible for you and it's a legitimate epidemic. It should be illegal to protect the people who might use it/already do use it. Why then, should the people who are most victimized by drug use be loving killed for it? If you're trying to save people, killing them is 100% the worst way to do that. Justify that to me.

Because the minute they step down that path, rarely do they come back. And once they moved passed pot there is no coming back. It's a self inflicted disease, and unless you catch it in stage 1, there is no recovery. You may quit it, but youll never be the same.

[IkeTheGeneric]

it all started from when she did pot.

Ever stop to think that drug abuse may be symptomatic of deeper issues?

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

Because the minute they step down that path, rarely do they come back. And once they moved passed pot there is no coming back. It's a self inflicted disease, and unless you catch it in stage 1, there is no recovery. You may quit it, but youll never be the same.

And you are 100% certain that all drug users are too far gone to help? That once they've done it, there's no coming back the same. How do you know that? How can you be so sure that you want them killed? Explain.

[Master Matthew²]

And you are 100% certain that all drug users are too far gone to help? That once they've done it, there's no coming back the same. How do you know that? How can you be so sure that you want them killed? Explain.

Its inhuman to leave a person to be living husks of their former selves.

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

Its inhuman to leave a person to be living husks of their former selves.

That doesn't explain how you know for sure they can't be helped.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Its inhuman to leave a person to be living husks of their former selves.

Ah, social darwinism, we meet again.

[Master Matthew²]

That doesn't explain how you know for sure they can't be helped.

You can stop doing drugs, but the drugs wont stop affecting you. Much like how tobacco users end up with long lasting side effects, other drugs have similar results.

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

You can stop doing drugs, but the drugs wont stop affecting you. Much like how tobacco users end up with long lasting side effects, other drugs have similar results.

And what, so having health issues or cravings as a result makes them unfit to live? By what criteria? I assume we're talking about recovering addicts, right?

[Ipquarx]

You can stop doing drugs, but the drugs wont stop affecting you. Much like how tobacco users end up with long lasting side effects, other drugs have similar results.

That's just bad science, plain and simple. Tobacco, Alcohol, Marijuana, etc don't make you "former husks of yourself" decades after you've stopped using them, at least not in the way that you mean. Sure, tobacco causes cancer and alcohol damages the liver but cancer or liver diseases don't make you a "living husk of your former self." That's all in the psychology. They can have lasting psychological effects, but that is more than treatable with both psychiatric help and counseling. What evidence do you have to suggest that it is never, ever worth it to give these people the mental health help that they need to get better?

[Verification]

You can stop doing drugs, but the drugs wont stop affecting you. Much like how tobacco users end up with long lasting side effects, other drugs have similar results.

This is the case with alot of things.
You can stop doing any drug at any time, but you can't truly stop. Your body develops most of the stuff these drugs give you naturally, like dopamine, and the only reason you like them is because they block receptors or give a rush in your receptors.

For the same reason, people are addicted to love and procrastination.

[Insert Name Here²]

reminder you can get addicted to literally loving anything that brings you happiness

[Deus Ex]

Note that I'm not throwing around insults here, I'm just telling you the consequences of your statements. If you don't want those consequences from your statement, then you need to actually state what you mean instead of making sweeping generalizations about taxation and hoping that unwritten subtext comes through clear as day. Saying that kind of stuff doesn't help anyone, but having an intelligent discussion does.

Fair enough

[Master Matthew²]

reminder you can get addicted to literally loving anything that brings you happiness

Fair enough

[Punished Toxicology]

i want to ride a big ship all night that will be cool