POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Køtt]

What if I put it in your yard?

what if i put it in your face friend

[Ad Bot]

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

Yes and no.
There still needs to be consequences for attacking and vandalizing public or private property, but it should not be immediate violence, and it certainly needs to be law enforcement in the case of public property, but private property is a whole different conversation with a set of different complications.

Great, so we're in agreement. Legal consequences for people who break the law. Nobody getting shot for breaking a statue.

[Master Matthew²]

What if I put it in your yard?

You're on my property, eat land mine.

[ultimamax]

what if i put it in your face friend

Do it bitch

[Køtt]

Do it bitch

[otto-san]

unless i was reading the wrong transcript, it looked more like a warning to potential vandals that vigilantes would have a legal defense if they shoot someone defacing a statue

the wording of it seemed to direct it more to the people who would do the shooting than to the people who would do the vandalization

the quote again for easier reference:

As a police officer and police academy instructor, I am posting this as a public service announcement.

In Texas, Criminal Mischief (Vandalism) is a crime. So, let’s say someone is defacing or destroying a monument or a statue, not that it happens, just a hypothetical. That would be Criminal Mischief under Texas Penal Code:

Sec. 28.03. CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
(a) A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner:
(1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner;
(2) he intentionally or knowingly tampers with the tangible property of the owner and causes pecuniary loss or substantial inconvenience to the owner or a third person; or
(3) he intentionally or knowingly makes markings, including inscriptions, slogans, drawings, or paintings, on the tangible property of the owner.

Texas Penal Code Chapter 9, which are the laws concerning the use of force and deadly force to protect yourself, someone else, your property, or someone else’s property (could be state, county or municipal property (the peoples). In Chapter 9 under defense of property it says:

Sec. 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON’S PROPERTY.
A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property;

Chapter 9.41 states: PROTECTION OF ONE’S OWN PROPERTY.
(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other’s trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property (Criminal Mischief is unlawful interference with property).

Chapter 9.42 states: DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime (Night time is 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise).

Bottom line, if someone is destroying a monument or statue that isn’t theirs, you can defend it by force during the day with deadly force at night.

Just a little tip, from your Uncle Phil…

either way, the police chief making that information public would be effective encouragement for people to test that defense even if it wasn't intended to be

[HellHound]

vigilantism is the right way to go........... we live in a rough world, take matters into your own hands

[Magus]

vigilantism is the right way to go........... we live in a rough world, take matters into your own hands

That's how you get honor students, lone gunmen, and terrorist groups.

[Red Spy]

That's how you get honor students, lone gunmen, and terrorist groups.

i thought they were in the 'crazy forget' category

[Magus]

i thought they were in the 'crazy forget' category

Not necessarily.

"if it's an act of violence intended to terrorize a population in order to change their behavior, it's terrorism."

[Nonnel]

i thought they were in the 'crazy forget' category

so are people who would use statue vandalism as an excuse to murder people

[PhantOS]

vigilantism is the right way to go........... we live in a rough world, take matters into your own hands

remember when vigilantism was about punishing robbers and rapists and not about shooting teens who graffiti on statues

[LeisureSuit912]

So Joe Arpaio got pardoned today

A disclaimer of what Maricopa County, Arizona looked like under his time as Sheriff:

Arpaio set up a "tent city" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail (33°25′40″N 112°07′26″W). Tent City is located in a yard next to a more permanent structure containing toilets, showers, an area for meals, and a day room.[40] It has become notable particularly because of Phoenix's extreme temperatures. Daytime temperatures inside the tents have been reported as high as 150 °F (65 °C) in the top bunks.[41] During the summer, fans and water are supplied in the tents.[42]
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths."[43] Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.

[Foxscotch]

that moment when you let people destroy a statue that respects thousands of lives just to respect one life

so who exactly are the thousands of people that statues of confederate "heroes" respect

[PhantOS]

Among his most controversial measures, the sheriff instructed his deputies to detain Hispanic residents and inquire about their legal status. He then disregarded a federal judge's ruling that he didn't have the legal authority to do so

speak of the devil. we were just discussing police officers who get off scott free despite abusing their power