POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Køtt]

also, didn't antifa form as a reaction to the Annoying Orange administration? idk if it's evolved since then or something but it seemed pretty clear to me that it was a movement against the further-right-than-usual gaining power

it originated in france iirc, which in my honest to god opinion, i can only slightly see why they reformed. europe probably has a bigger problem with national socialistsm than the US. not entirely sure on this though.

or it could just be germany like red spy said. makes more sense.

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[otto-san]

looking into it, seems like the sort of thing that antifa is has a long history. i don't recall antifa as a protest movement being relevant in the US prior to the 2016 election tho. in any case, i think the movement is defined much more by them fighting against fascist (or supposedly fascist) leadership rather than them advocating for some other political system or action, even if in practice that ends up as a secondary tenet of some sort

[Køtt]

i don't recall antifa as a protest movement being relevant in the US prior to the 2016 election tho.

those obnoxious myths about "Annoying Orange is a national socialist" or "republicans are just a bunch of national socialists" probably called a throwback at them

[ultimamax]

what? So you think that Antifa ISNT for terrorism?

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Bro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Bro to wait until a "more convenient season."

eat my ass

[TristanLuigi]

in other news, several prominent members of the Annoying Orange administration have been using private email accounts for official state business

hmmmmm, sounds familiar. i bet republicans will be logically consistent and call for them to be imprisoned

[Khaz]

but!!! her emails!!!!

[LeisureSuit912]

i don't think that's what it was but i'm not going to try and speak on his behalf. i think it's more likely though that it was just a suggestion that, since there is a historical precedent for highly important landmark protest movements to be stigmatized and disfavored by the public, it's not unlikely that the same thing is happening now. i would agree that it wasn't entirely relevant at least to what was quoted though

Yeah, that's what I was getting at
Protest movements, whether it be the civil rights organizers in the 60s like MLK and Malcolm X or some of the leftist groups nowadays are not and should not be concerned with being "popular". The point is to change the status quo, and that doesn't include staying within the status quo and making your message compatabile for an Overton window that's shifted hard-right for a few decades now
Basically yeah, it's pretty easy to say "BLM & Antifa aren't the same as MLK" after 50 years in hindsight, but I guarantee you plenty of those people would have been decrying MLK for his violent rhetoric and how groups like the Freedom Riders and members of the Montgomery Bus Boycott were being too disruptive.

[TristanLuigi]

if antifa achieves anything good i'll cut my richard off

they actually saved several people's lives, or at least prevented them from being injured, during the charlottesville attacks
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html

keep in mind that one of these people was a pastor; if you think antifa is about establishing communism, why would they protect a religious official? they're legitimately trying to protect the US from fascism, even if they occasionally misjudge things

so i guess it's time to cut your richard off

[beachbum111111]

Holy stuff Tristan really does need the noose.

[Corderlain]

Using slate as a non biased and accurate source lmfao

[Tactical Nuke]

antifa "saving people's lives" does not sound even within the realms of reality

[beachbum111111]

Tristan is a commie parasite who is actively shilling for a destructive terrorist cell. The price for being a commie traitor should be the rope.

[Rally]

You could probably find examples of Taliban doing "good". It's completely irrelevant.

I don't know if marking anti-fa a "terrorist organization" would even produce any results when half the country is sucking their richards because it's what they've been told to do. We really just need to start cracking down on violent rioters and putting them in jail. After that Anti-fa won't exist anyway. The sane people win, and antifadrones will be forced to out themselves as morons when they start defending criminals.

[otto-san]

while i agree that people who commit criminal acts should generally be prosecuted for them, i don't think standing at the ready to arrest anyone who steps out of line during a protest is going to help ease tensions. not saying police should stop doing their job, just saying aggressive apprehension of protesters is probably just going to create more protesters

[Corderlain]

while i agree that people who commit criminal acts should generally be prosecuted for them, i don't think standing at the ready to arrest anyone who steps out of line during a protest is going to help ease tensions. not saying police should stop doing their job, just saying aggressive apprehension of protesters is probably just going to create more protesters

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