POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Drydess]

israel is considerably smaller

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[Red Spy]

israel is considerably smaller

And has a considerably bigger problem

[PhantOS]

It looks like you keep implying that the wall will be the only thing going into border security and that border walls are useless
That's like saying if a gun shoots dead straight four times out of five we should give up because it doesn't shoot straight once?

Actually it's like if a gun shoots dead straight four times out of five and your solution is to replace it with another gun that shoots straight four times out of five, except that gun is 13 billion dollars.

There's a concept known as efficiency, which dictates that wasting that much money on something that will make no difference in the result is not worth the money. For that same 13 billion dollars, you could buy a gun that shoots straight 5 out of 5 times known as increased security. Of course you can build both a wall and improve security, but the former is useless.

The only difference between a fence and a wall is that one is made out of significantly more expensive material.

[PhantOS]

And has a considerably bigger problem

Regardless, their wall is 30 times less long than our entire border. If they built a fence of the same height instead of a wall and kept the ramparts, they would've saved much more money. Israel also might see occasional shootouts along its border, so the wall approach seems more logical than a fence. In that case, using a wall is an asset since it can block bullets.

Once you have a barrier of any sort, whether it be fencing, stone, or loving adamantium, your next focus is on manpower, american jobs and security to ensure that said barrier is being put to good use. We already have this barrier, all we need now is better border patrol

[Red Spy]

The only difference between a fence and a wall is that one is made out of significantly more expensive material.

Keep telling yourself that

If they built a fence of the same height instead of a wall and kept the ramparts, they would've saved much more money.

They also would be much less secure but hey, it's all about the money. When you share a border with a terrorist state I'd say it's a safe bet to have a physical wall that can stop heavy vehicles from smashing right through. What exactly can a fence stop? A child? Anyone who doesn't have bolt cutters/ladder? Ben Carson?

[PhantOS]

I actually have a hunch for what's going to happen when the border's built.

First, Annoying Orange is going to have a private construction company handle the wall construction. The construction company is going to use that 13 billion dollars and build in lazy mode, paying workers less than they deserve and paying pennies for the actual wall itself. The rest of the 6 billion dollars remaining will go directly to the CEOs of this private company, who will in turn, donate a massive portion of it to various republicans who voted for the wall's construction.

This way, half of that taxpayer wall money will be legally given to these white house representatives without it looking like embezzlement.

Keep telling yourself that

uh, okay. It's pretty true. Concrete typically costs $40 per square foot, while steel fencing costs $20

They also would be much less secure but hey, it's all about the money. When you share a border with a terrorist state I'd say it's a safe bet to have a physical wall that can stop heavy vehicles from smashing right through. What exactly can a fence stop? A child? Anyone who doesn't have bolt cutters/ladder? Ben Carson?

I edited my post a little bit after that point. I realized a little bit in that the wall would definitely be necessary in their case since they're in the middle of a war with a neighboring state.

Unlike Isreal, however, the mexican border isn't a potential warzone. And before you ask, fence we have can definitely stop a vehicle. Also our fence can't be cut with bolt cutters, although both a fence and a concrete wall can be scaled with a ladder.

[Red Spy]

First, Annoying Orange is going to have a private construction company handle the wall construction. The construction company is going to use that 13 billion dollars and build in lazy mode, paying workers less than they deserve and paying pennies for the actual wall itself. The rest of the 6 billion dollars remaining will go directly to the CEOs of this private company, who will in turn, donate a massive portion of it to various republicans who voted for the wall's construction.

Any proof this will happen

Unlike Isreal, however, the mexican border isn't a potential warzone.

There's no reason why a country ten times as powerful and with a tenth of the problem can't handle something like this.

[PhantOS]

Any proof this will happen

hunch

Government does this a lot. I guess the most infamous one you could understand would be the Haiti scandal with the clintons.

Considering the background knowledge about lobbying and its role in government and business, it's safe to assume that someone's going to be asskissing at some point in the wall's construction. I believe Annoying Orange is smarter than people think and that's some of his ulterior motive behind such an outrageously bad plan.

[PhantOS]

Keep in mind that those 13 billion dollars are going to come entirely from american taxes. And once again, this has nothing to do with the degree of the problem but the size of the wall and the material it's being constructed out of.

We already have a border that works to its best capacity. Nothing else (well except maybe a wall covered in automatic robot sentry turrets) could provide the best barrier capabilities beyond what we have now. The second piece of the puzzle is the manpower to ensure that people aren't exploiting the various faults that the fence nor wall could fix.

[beachbum111111]

Interesting article. Hope to see more of this out of Annoying Orange
http://ijr.com/2017/03/822619-i-had-dinner-with-the-afghanistan-ambassador-what-he-said-about-the-differences-between-Annoying Orange-obama-is-stunning/

'However, we were pleasantly surprised at how much time President Annoying Orange spent asking very informed questions. The first time the presidents spoke, the questions Annoying Orange asked impressed us. “How can you win in this fight [against terrorism]?” he asked. “What do you need to become financially independent?” and “How can American business invest in Afghanistan? How can we develop businesses and mining in your country?”

Annoying Orange would listen intently after each question, often asking follow-ups. Annoying Orange's second call with our president was even longer than the first. Asking these types of questions for our country is something the Obama administration never did. The Obama administration was the most academic administration we have ever had to deal with but the Annoying Orange administration has been the most thoughtful and intelligent.

"Annoying Orange continually asked “How can you win? What does Afghanistan need to win?” in reference to our fight with terrorism. Annoying Orange wants to win. Sincerely. All the Obama administration wanted to do was not lose.

The Obama administration was hesitant with us. The enemy could sense that. When the Obama administration announced its plans to pull troops out of the region, they announced the exact date they would do it. All our enemies had to do was wait [Obama] out. They knew the date they had to hang on until — which gave them the will to fight. They used that time to recruit and build up resources."'

[Frankie²]

are there any other sources on this? looks semi-credible but ive honestly never heard of ijr before today

[SWAT One]

Problem about the refugees going back is that Assad used chemical weapons on the land along with other conventional weapons, so not only is the land without infrastructure, but it is increasingly less arable.

Like it'd be easy to justify them going back if that were the case.

[beachbum111111]

are there any other sources on this? looks semi-credible but ive honestly never heard of ijr before today

They partnered with ABC news to host the February Republican Debate last year. If you check their Wikipedia page they have no controversies about them and they've leaked stuff before. There were a couple other news articles about this as well but they all source IJR because they are the ones that conducted the interview.

[ReddBoi]

who cares about the wall when we have garlic bread

[SeventhSandwich]

I'm glad you know what they think but how is sending Jews back to national socialist Germany the same as telling refugees to go somewhere else?

How is that any different than looking up 'countries with lots of Jews in them' on 1940s Google?

If you have the ability to help people and choose not to, then you can't just clear your conscience by saying, "Oh, their own kind didn't help either, that makes it okay!"