POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[beachbum111111]

You guys are lucky what you have to worry about wait times. People in the US can't even afford their treatment with how unnecessarily cruel it is.

Free healthcare here is great until you actually use it. It's not like the service makes up for it after you wait for half a day.

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[Darryl McKoy]

Free healthcare here is great until you actually use it. It's not like the service makes up for it after you wait for half a day.

I would much rather face delays than not be able to afford treatment at all

[Daswiruch]

Free healthcare here is great until you actually use it. It's not like the service makes up for it after you wait for half a day.

you haven't experienced having to pay a metric forgetton of money for simply stepping foot inside a hospital
i'd rather take wait time over crippling debt

[Tactical Nuke]

You guys are lucky what you have to worry about wait times. People in the US can't even afford their treatment with how unnecessarily cruel it is.

"cruuuuuuuellllll"

Nearly all of the top 10 countries have universal healthcare.

(doesn't name the "top 10 countries")

[Red Spy]

(doesn't name the "top 10 countries")

The tax haven of Scandinavia

[Alkatjo]

I'd rather just pay taxes towards free healthcare knowing that at least some degree of help is available, instead of none.

[Nonnel]

(doesn't name the "top 10 countries")

he linked the chart tho

[SeventhSandwich]

I'll wait for the deaths to start rolling in before I buy into the whole "ppl are gonna die!" thing.

There is no way to directly measure whether a specific person died 'because of the repeal bill'. You can only go off of the statistics regarding how many people will lose their insurance and how many deaths will result from that. Those studies have already been done.

But like, even if you have qualms about the specific number, it's blatantly obvious some people will die. You don't oust stuffloads of people from their health insurance without killing some.

Free healthcare here is great until you actually use it. It's not like the service makes up for it after you wait for half a day.

It really depends on the implementation. Single-payer systems plagued with bureaucracy and inefficiency are bad (a-la Venezuela), but places like the UK have pulled it off. They have less GDP per capita than us but outlive us. I suspect a causative relationship between their live expectancy and their access to healthcare.

[Bisjac]

thank god that went through.
i will happily see thousands die if that will make people work again.

[beachbum111111]

It really depends on the implementation. Single-payer systems plagued with bureaucracy and inefficiency are bad (a-la Venezuela), but places like the UK have pulled it off. They have less GDP per capita than us but outlive us. I suspect a causative relationship between their live expectancy and their access to healthcare.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. America also has more guns per capita then any other country and the US has more crime then the UK which also contributes to the lower lifespan.

[SeventhSandwich]

Correlation doesn't equal causation. America also has more guns per capita then any other country and the US has more crime then the UK which also contributes to the lower lifespan.

I don't think crime is the reason. Homicide rate in the US is 4.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. Definitely not tipping the scale here.

[Tactical Nuke]

he linked the chart tho

he links a chart of the "top ten healthcare countries", not "top ten developed countries"

[Deus Ex]

Do you seriously expect there to be a news report for every single person that dies due to this stuffty bill? We don't hear about preventable deaths because families will the vast majority of the time keep that kind of stuff private.

Obviously not, come on. I'm saying I'm waiting for the reports to come out where actual people die. I want to see REAL numbers of REAL people that died DIRECTLY because of lack of coverage due to the new healthcare. I don't want this up in the air "People will die because I said so" bullstuff everyone seems to be continuing to say. So far, I've seen people say "millions of people will lose coverage", and that's not much of an argument when Obamacare forced you to pay for healthcare or get forgeted with penalty fees. There's a lot of people who don't even want/need healthcare that are getting richarded hard by either the insurance company in their area, or Obamacare's penalty fees. That's real, that's tangible, there's firsthand accounts on that. What i have yet to see, however, are accounts of people dying, and instead just people SAYING people are going to die.

[Drydess]

I don't think crime is the reason. Homicide rate in the US is 4.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. Definitely not tipping the scale here.

who's the unlucky half dead person per 100k

[Rooged]

who's the unlucky half dead person per 100k

did he get murdered 9 times or something