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If you ever insinuate that I am a liberal again I'll break your legs

Jokes on you buddy I have free healthcare. I mean they'll probably botch it and I'll walk with a limp forever but hey so long as rich white people are paying for it right?

Jokes on you buddy I have free healthcare. I mean they'll probably botch it and I'll walk with a limp forever but hey so long as rich white people are paying for it right?
I don't know why you think the quality of the healthcare would decrease, but yeah forget rich people.

I don't know why you think the quality of the healthcare would decrease, but yeah forget rich people.

I mean admittedly America would probably implement free healthcare better than the UK and Australia, both liberal-run nanny states, but healthcare quality has definitely decreased in countries with free healthcare. Dunno how much you've been exposed to healthcare outside of America

NJ

didn't new jersey have some issues regarding to healthcare or something? i'm not potshooting, just a curious question.

I mean admittedly America would probably implement free healthcare better than the UK and Australia, both liberal-run nanny states, but healthcare quality has definitely decreased in countries with free healthcare. Dunno how much you've been exposed to healthcare outside of America
www​.pnhp.org/facts/quality.pdf
I've yet to see an actual reason as to why single-payer would degrade the current quality of healthcare.

I've yet to see an actual reason as to why single-payer would degrade the current quality of healthcare.

Because a certified liberal didn't hand it to you on a piece of paper?



Look what you guys did. You posted too many facts and now someone has been summoned to balance it out.

how the forget do you access to that i've been on this forum for a couple of years and i don't know where to find it

i feel stupid

didn't new jersey have some issues regarding to healthcare or something? i'm not potshooting, just a curious question.

Not that I know of. I haven't had any problems with my plans at least, so I can't speak for the entire state. If there are issues unique to NJ, I wouldn't be surprised, Christie's been running a pretty stuff ship.

new jersey? i'm sorry for your loss deus ex


I haven't had any problems with my plans at least, so I can't speak for the entire state.

i know, i wasn't expecting you to, it's just nice to hear someone's experience.

This actually sounds like a really good idea. What I like(d) about Obamacare was the provisions that make it illegal to discriminate on applicants based on their health or age. It really is something that should be law over here.
that sounds really good. it'd be better if it did discriminate on annual earnings / household size rather than health and age and so forth  so that it's at least made affordable for the people who absolutely require it but can't pay for something like the high premiums

Both of you shut up. It's like you didn't even read what I said.
Your heart is in the right place by saying pre-existing conditions should be covered, but let me make this perfectly clear: there is NO way to make sure this happens besides subsidizing health insurance (a-la ACA) or creating a single-payer system. The new health bill does neither of these things, and thus any coverage of pre-existing conditions won't last.

The reason why this is the case is because health insurance (without subsidies or national systems) is essentially a business of people betting that you won't get sick in the time that you're on their plan. If you ensure coverage to people with pre-existing conditions without subsidies, then people will 'cheat' and only buy health insurance as soon as they get sick, meaning insurers either go broke or are forced to charge absurdly high premiums, which negates the whole point of passing a 'healthcare bill'.

It's true that opening up the market will lower costs, but that doesn't change the fact that market-based health insurance is a business that has absolutely nothing to do with ensuring equitable access to healthcare. It is a system for already-healthy, financially-stable people to bet against their own health to mitigate the risk of financial ruin if they get sick. This is why things like the ACA are necessary and why Republicans are doing healthcare wrong.

If you ever insinuate that I am a liberal again I'll break your legs

Using violence to push political agendas. Typical commie.