POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Conan]

unpopular opinion here guise, but i personally loved martin shrek-lee. he was my starfish role model and i will dearly miss seeing his smug grin daily through his living room window from a telescope a mile away

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unpopular opinion here guise, but i personally loved martin shrek-lee. he was my starfish role model and i will dearly miss seeing his smug grin daily through his living room window from a telescope a mile away

ur mom gae bro

[Red Spy]

rip he was a light upon this dark world

[otto-san]

Damn... moment of silence...

* otto-san does a sad dab

[Master Matthew²]

I cant believe shkreli died of aids, ironic, he could save others from death, but not himself.

[SeventhSandwich]

Article about the leaked Annoying Orange & Enrique Pena Nieto transcript:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article165303667.html

I'm genuinely curious how the Annoying Orange supporters of the forum can see this as anything but stupid. I don't mean that last bit sarcastically either - from what perspective does this not make Annoying Orange look terrible? In his own words too?

[Deus Ex]

“Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about,” Annoying Orange said, “but politically this might be the most important talk about.”

Peña Nieto insists he will continue to firmly say Mexico will not pay for the wall: “But my position has been and will continue to be very firm saying that Mexico cannot pay for that wall.”

Annoying Orange responds: “But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that and I cannot live with that.”

I don't see the problem here? The forget are you talking about? And who even cares about this anymore when 1. we already got the funding for the wall and 2. he already said he would just tax imports from Mexico to get the money from them so this is irrelevant. I can't even see how this makes Annoying Orange look bad? Because he said he can't say that to the press? I just read through the transcript and of course it's taken out of context to make it look like Annoying Orange is being a pissbaby.

Pena Nieto: I have recognized the right of any government to protect its borders as it deems necessary and convenient. But my position has been and will continue to be very firm saying that Mexico cannot pay for that wall.

Annoying Orange: But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that and I cannot live with that. You cannot say that to the press because I cannot negotiate under those circumstances.

PN: I understand you well, Mr. President. I understand this critical point and I understand the critical political position that this constitutes for your country and for you, Mr. President. Let us look for a creative way to jump over this obstacle...Let us for now stop talking about the wall. Let us look for a creative way to solve this issue, for this to serve both are your government, my government, and both of our societies.

Annoying Orange: Okay, Enrique, that is fine and I think it is fair...I want the best solution also for Mexico. I do not just want a great solution for the United States. And what I am talking about is not a good solution for Mexico – it is a great solution for the United States, which is a tariff on everything coming into our country. Now, that is the best solution economically for the United States, but I feel very strongly that it is important that as our neighbor, we have a strong relationship – the stronger the better.

With proper context this quote doesn't look nearly as bad as that article tries to paint it as. He was asking him to hold is tongue while they negotiated because the media is constantly looking for things to stuff down his throat for, and this is another example of media bullstuff. I hope whoever managed to leak these transcripts is put in prison. These leaks need to stop.

[Køtt]

love thy neighbor

[Ipquarx]

And who even cares about this anymore when 1. we already got the funding for the wall and 2. he already said he would just tax imports from Mexico to get the money from them so this is irrelevant.

Just gonna address this one part here... Because he made it a gigantic campaign promise that the wall would be build and Mexico would pay for the wall. It was literally his bread and butter promise, one of only a few that in general made people flock to him and be energetic about supporting him, and it turns out that either the entire cost or nearly all of the cost is put squarely on US taxpayer shoulders. (See my post all the way back to page 38 for why this is the case)

I don't think you realize what kind of effects a tariff actually have.

Now, I'm no expert on economics but thankfully there are tons of resources online that allow us to see what the actual result of such a tariff would be. If we look at http://faculty.washington.edu/danby/bls324/trade/tariff.html and scroll down to "A Tariff in a Large Country" (I'm sure we can all agree that the US is a large country) we see this infographic:


Basically this diagram shows how supply/demand (Supply is blue, demand is red) affects money coming in/being lost through tariffs. It shows that US consumers would be paying for a massive half of the total cost of the tariff, with Mexico paying the other half.
This diagram also has other kinds of consequences, one of which being that there is indeed an "Ideal" tariff amount to maximize profit to the US. I have no idea how the exact supply/demand and tariff percentage would affect profit in this specific case, so I can't say for sure, but chances are that such a large tariff would be well, well beyond what is the ideal. Tariffs are usually in the range of single-digit percentages, not half to 100%, such a substantial tariff would definitely not be ideal and the vast majority of the area would be outside the profit rectangle shown in the picture, and end up in just lost money entirely. There's only a limited amount of money to be made from Tariffs.

It would also quite drastically affect the Mexican economy and the country as a whole. The US makes up the bulk of Mexico's exports, 3/4ths of it in total. Such a large tariff would drastically lower that number, which means less money for the country as a whole. US exports alone make up almost a quarter of Mexico's total GDP. Imagine the entire country suddenly loosing over 10% of its money due to a massive tariff. The economy would not like that at all.

Then on top of that you have the fact that such a huge tariff would be a blatant violation of WTO rules, Mexico would be more than in the right to take action against this and be eligible to, in return, also Tariff US imports for an equivalent value. This wouldn't even make a dent in the total US GDP, but it would make up for a significant portion of the half of the cost that Mexico lost.

So in the end, no, they wouldn't end up paying that much at all. Most of the cost would be put onto US citizens and Mexico would get back a large chunk of what they lost by literally taking it back from the US.

[Drydess]

jesus march 2016

[Karl Marx]

Nobody in their rught mind actually thought Annoying Orange would be able to go through with it. His campaign gave out consistent messages that intentionally brought a specific crowd together, and a bunch of 4chan losers without any real companionship flocked to him so that they could feel like they were a part of something.

[Tactical Nuke]

meanwhile Hillary had the united backing of the entire minority population, the news, Hollywood and academia and still lost

[Nonnel]

she had the backing off both the minorities and the majority. crazy.

[Tactical Nuke]

she had the backing off both the minorities and the majority. crazy.

she still lost

[Conan]

she still lost

dont you know??

if you kill your enemies, they win!!