POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Cappytaino]

she had the backing off both the minorities and the majority. crazy.

wow it's almost like the electoral college exists to prevent New York and California from deciding the election

letting the majority decide is always a stuffty idea. That's why the electoral college is much better.

FFS the Athenians voted to kill Socrates. For what crime? They thought he was too annoying, so they forced him to kill himself by drinking poison.

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[otto-san]

letting the majority decide is always a stuffty idea. That's why the electoral college is much better.

yeah, that's why states should allocate their votes proportionally rather than just giving them all to whichever candidate wins plurality. it'd go a long way to giving more representation to all those little blue and red dots on the map. the electoral college has structural problems, and they can be fixed or relieved without constitutional effort

[Cappytaino]

yeah, that's why states should allocate their votes proportionally rather than just giving them all to whichever candidate wins plurality. it'd go a long way to giving more representation to all those little blue and red dots on the map

I mean, look at this map of the county-level results



All the Dem votes come from small pockets of a major metropolitan area. Everything outside of that is solid Red with few exceptions. OK went entirely red.

Even California was surprisingly split on the county level, but due to the cities in the areas that went blue, those votes are enough to carry the state. Same with New York State and Albany, Binghamton, Buffalo, NYC, etc. Outside the cities, almost everything is red. But cities are enough to carry the state.

Imagine the entire election being like that. Your vote doesn't matter unless you live in NY or Cali. That would be complete bullstuff.

[Nonnel]

wow it's almost like the electoral college exists to prevent New York and California from deciding the election

letting the majority decide is always a stuffty idea. That's why the electoral college is much better.

FFS the Athenians voted to kill Socrates. For what crime? They thought he was too annoying, so they forced him to kill himself by drinking poison.

so put in place rules that no law or order can take away the rights of the minority? that's the only problem with direct democracy.

I mean, look at this map of the county-level results



All the Dem votes come from small pockets of a major metropolitan area. Everything outside of that is solid Red with few exceptions. OK went entirely red.

Even California was surprisingly split on the county level, but due to the cities in the areas that went blue, those votes are enough to carry the state. Same with New York State and Albany, Binghamton, Buffalo, NYC, etc. Outside the cities, almost everything is red. But cities are enough to carry the state.

Imagine the entire election being like that. Your vote doesn't matter unless you live in NY or Cali. That would be complete bullstuff.

if votes weren't decided by an electoral college, there wouldn't be a need for state-by-state voting so the "your vote doesn't matter if you live/don't live in x state" is moot. your vote would matter no matter where you are. i'm also a proponent of direct ranked choice voting, so that even third party candidates would have a good chance as opposed to the "don't throw your vote away" mentality we have now.

and remember that those tiny blue dots are where all the people are. why would you have the choice of a handful of countryfolk overwhelm the choice of millions of city people?

[Corderlain]

People who don't understand why we need the electoral college obviously haven't done any research on why we have it in the first place.

[Bisjac]

already proven dead/double/illegal immigrant votes, make Annoying Orange surpass Hillary's "popular vote"
that is a term that doesn't actually exist in any legal way anyways lol. its a fake news term from very long ago that the dems created to make excuses.

[Nonnel]

People who don't understand why we need the electoral college obviously haven't done any research on why we have it in the first place.

already proven dead/double/illegal immigrant votes, make Annoying Orange surpass Hillary's "popular vote"
that is a term that doesn't actually exist in any legal way anyways lol. its a fake news term from very long ago that the dems created to make excuses.

[Cappytaino]

so put in place rules that no law or order can take away the rights of the minority? that's the only problem with direct democracy.
if votes weren't decided by an electoral college, there wouldn't be a need for state-by-state voting so the "your vote doesn't matter if you live/don't live in x state" is moot. your vote would matter no matter where you are. i'm also a proponent of direct ranked choice voting, so that even third party candidates would have a good chance as opposed to the "don't throw your vote away" mentality we have now.

and remember that those tiny blue dots are where all the people are. why would you have the choice of a handful of countryfolk overwhelm the choice of millions of city people?

this election was literally small town America vs the cities. The exact mentality you have about how small town voters don't matter is what lost Hillary the election. She didn't campaign nearly enough in the Rust Belt and small town voters came out in record numbers for the chance to put up their collective middle finger to the cities and to Washington.

Small town America deserves an equal voice, which is why the electoral college was implemented and makes sense. Rural America are the producers. They grow the food, drill the oil, mine the coal and metals, etc. Rural America makes up a significant percentage of the production of goods the country consumes and exports.

Letting the popular vote (And in effect cities) decide the election is a huge "forget you" to these people. Even in your philosophy of ranked voting, those with the background and ideals that come with living in the city would hold much larger sway due to naturally larger population and again, values drastically different from the rural population.

[Nonnel]

this election was literally small town America vs the cities. The exact mentality you have about how small town voters don't matter is what lost Hillary the election. She didn't campaign nearly enough in the Rust Belt and small town voters came out in record numbers for the chance to put up their collective middle finger to the cities and to Washington.

Small town America deserves an equal voice, which is why the electoral college was implemented and makes sense. Rural America are the producers. They grow the food, drill the oil, mine the coal and metals, etc. Rural America makes up a significant percentage of the production of goods the country consumes and exports.

Letting the popular vote (And in effect cities) decide the election is a huge "forget you" to these people. Even in your philosophy of ranked voting, those with the background and ideals that come with living in the city would hold much larger sway due to naturally larger population and again, values drastically different from the rural population.

fair enough. it just seems unfair to group by state since a dem in texas or a rep in california have literally no pull in their state. to be honest, i'd settle for ranked choice voting and an electoral college.

[LeisureSuit912]

People who pretend that the electoral college gives certain citizens local representation ignore that our legislature is basically constructed around local representation. That's why congressional districts exist for the House and Senators are elected statewide. The presidential race is really the only contest being held on the national level so it's daft to pretend people don't get a say without an electoral college. Of course, gerrymandering is another problem and the current FPTP system that elects representatives is heavily flawed.

Also, because the presidency is elected nationally, it doesn't really matter who lives where and how many people also live there, because at the end of it all only one person (besides the VP) will be elected to represent the ENTIRE nation. Regardless of what state or district people live in, everybody who lives in the country will have the same representation from the executive branch.

[Master Matthew²]

People who pretend that the electoral college gives certain citizens local representation ignore that our legislature is basically constructed around local representation. That's why congressional districts exist for the House and Senators are elected statewide. The presidential race is really the only contest being held on the national level so it's daft to pretend people don't get a say without an electoral college. Of course, gerrymandering is another problem and the current FPTP system that elects representatives is heavily flawed.

Also, because the presidency is elected nationally, it doesn't really matter who lives where and how many people also live there, because at the end of it all only one person (besides the VP) will be elected to represent the ENTIRE nation. Regardless of what state or district people live in, everybody who lives in the country will have the same representation from the executive branch.

Translation: it doesnt matter because the government should be an aristocracy.

[Foxscotch]

Translation: it doesnt matter because the government should be an aristocracy.

they don't make pills to fix this kind of stupid

[PhantOS]

Translation: it doesnt matter because the government should be an aristocracy.

when you can't argue political points effectively or coherently so you resort to completely misreading everything on purpose just to make stuffty remarks

[Red Spy]

FFS the Athenians voted to kill Socrates. For what crime? They thought he was too annoying, so they forced him to kill himself by drinking poison.

can we do this with bernie sanders

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

can we do this with bernie sanders

Only if we get to ice Matthew first