POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[thegoodperry]

Also no cops are driving down the streets, frisking and pulling over white drivers in affluent neighborhoods, despite the fact that those areas are just chock-full of rich kids carrying all types of illegal substances (because they can afford it, after all!).

This is true. The problem is that police have such a limited budget that they are forced to meet their quota by deploying a large police force to 'high crime areas' and every arrest they make contributes to the high crime statistic in that neighborhood.

If you get pulled over for a broken tail light and fine you, that gets contributed to the crime statistics in your neighborhood. So it's basically a positive feedback loop between overrepresented statistics and police bias. Since like 70% of the police are in black neighborhoods the 10% that is in the white neighborhood are making significantly less arrests and therefore the crime statistics for the nice neighborhood is a lot less.

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[Red Spy]

Same sort of crimes used to legally suppress minority voters back in the 30s?

are you assuming every black person is now a drug dealer? who are these "tribal" laws trying to stop? really loving poor people who barely vote anyway?

Whites found with cocaine are, by law, prosecuted less severely than blacks found with crack, despite the fact that the difference between those two drugs is $1.50 worth of baking soda and an electric oven.

this is like saying people found with meth should be prosecuted the same as people with adderall. coke and crack are different drugs that have different effects that one be distributed easier

[thegoodperry]

are you assuming every black person is now a drug dealer?

i mean yeah, every black person is basically a drug dealer. literally everyone on the black side of my family has sold or bought drugs on multiple occasions. hell i used to sell edibles and codeine

[Red Spy]

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[thegoodperry]

how else does one make money? all the businesses in my neighborhood pay well below minimum wage

[SeventhSandwich]

are you assuming every black person is now a drug dealer? who are these "tribal" laws trying to stop? really loving poor people who barely vote anyway?

You act like you need to suppress 100% of voters to swing an election. What is the margin like on the average gubernatorial election? 5%? 10%? If you can knock out maybe 25% of one demographic by getting them felony convictions, you can swing the whole result.

That sounds a little bit too conspiratorial for modern times, but I don't doubt that Republican congressmen vote against drug reforms because they know that it will hurt their reelection bids down the line.

this is like saying people found with meth should be prosecuted the same as people with adderall. coke and crack are different drugs that have different effects that one be distributed easier

White people do more hard drugs too. There's no easily delineated explanation for why there's a difference in imprison rates, besides the fact that one demographic is more harshly policed and prosecuted than the other.

Also, by the way, Adderall is a Schedule II controlled substance in the US. That's the same schedule as cocaine and meth, so it's interesting that you're suggesting we should be giving people a pass on that.

[thegoodperry]

Also if you want to see how race influences sentences look at Brock Turner's trial vs Brian Banks. they were both accused and charged for entry rape and received greatly different sentences. it could just be the state juristiction but 3 months vs 5 years is a huge forgetin difference

[SeventhSandwich]

Also if you want to see how race influences sentences look at Brock Turner's trial vs Brian Banks. they were both accused and charged for entry rape and received greatly different sentences. it could just be the state juristiction but 3 months vs 5 years is a huge forgetin difference

In fairness, even five years seems a little weak for entry rape. 15+ years minimum is ideal IMO.

[Red Spy]

If you can knock out maybe 25% of one demographic by getting them felony convictions, you can swing the whole result.

question: should cops ignore black drug dealers

but I don't doubt that Republican congressmen vote against drug reforms because they know that it will hurt their reelection bids down the line.

maybe you should actually look up some of these congressmen's positions on drugs. i bet most of them would sound pretty defensible without throwing "we want to suppress the vote of black drug dealers so we can remain in office" into the mix

[thegoodperry]

question: should cops ignore black drug dealers

should cops ignore white drug dealers?

[SeventhSandwich]

question: should cops ignore black drug dealers

No. The solution to drug felony disenfranchisement is to legalize the drugs and expunge prior felonies. It's not reasonable nor realistic to ask cops to act outside the purview of their own training and regulations. That's not something that a civilized society is supposed to do when the issue is strictly with the law itself.

maybe you should actually look up some of these congressmen's positions on drugs. i bet most of them would sound pretty defensible without throwing "we want to suppress the vote of black drug dealers so we can remain in office" into the mix

I mean, I'm sure a lot of them are just the good Christian homebody types that are morally appalled by drug usage, but their peers up in Washington will pressure them to vote a certain way no matter what because they know what the result of reforms would be. I absolutely believe that Nixon and Reagan used the War on Drugs as an intentional effort to disenfranchise poor minorities. But they're long dead, so that point is irrelevant. The end result is that voters are suppressed and that's a bad thing in a free, democratic society.

[Red Spy]

I mean, I'm sure a lot of them are just the good Christian homebody types that are morally appalled by drug usage, but their peers up in Washington will pressure them to vote a certain way no matter what because they know what the result of reforms would be.

"listen joe, i know you already don't want drug reform but just think about all the blacks you'll be loving over when you say no!"

The end result is that voters are suppressed and that's a bad thing in a free, democratic society.

if you're going down the voter suppression conspiracy you'd have to admit the crack cocaine law was introduced by a democrat, voted in favor of passing by a democrat majority house all for the express purpose of loving over a democrat voting minority. kinda shooting yourself in the foot there, right?

[SeventhSandwich]

"listen joe, i know you already don't want drug reform but just think about all the blacks you'll be loving over when you say no!"

So how do you suggest I frame the issue with drug laws? It's inseparably tied to race issues, and you can't fully address the issues it causes unless you bring that up.

if you're going down the voter suppression conspiracy you'd have to admit the crack cocaine law was introduced by a democrat, voted in favor of passing by a democrat majority house all for the express purpose of loving over a democrat voting minority. kinda shooting yourself in the foot there, right?

Not really, no. Scummy democrats absolutely exist. Whether they voted the way they did for voter suppression purposes or just out of sheer ignorance is irrelevant because the end result is the same.

I can't prove that congressmen vote for these things for the reason that I think they do. It's just my own hunch. But what is proven is that these laws suck at actually preventing drug usage and are only good for throwing poor folks in prison.

[Foxscotch]

you're right, I, a twenty-year-old college student, should hire more druggie blacks to my nonexistent business that sells nothing because it doesn't exist
we have solved the crCIA everyone, we can all go home now

so you're saying, if you did have a business, you would give drug offenders a rare second chance at a proper law-abiding career?

[Bisjac]

Seven is obsessed with government conspiracies to forget over black people. He doesn't seem to realize it's his leftist agenda and Democrats that did/do ot all.