Author Topic: Democrats sitting-in congress for a vote on gun control  (Read 15338 times)

plus violent crime is down a stuffload as is. we can have 10 fold more mass shootings per year and still be safer by thew decade then we were. its not even a big deal.

Fear gets votes. Same reason why you keep hearing the phrase "assault gun" when it means virtually nothing. Vote for me, and I'll ban all the scary evil guns, and you'll be safer.

Realistically all the guns that we should ban are already banned. The average civilian can't own a fully automatic 7.62 rifle, or like, flame throwers for that matter.
the common house holds enough supplies to make a somewhat decent flamethrower (no not an aresol can with a lighter strapped to it)

no Hardcore Gamers are buying guns from gun shows.
Citation needed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

"Shooters brought an average of four weapons to each shooting; one carried seven guns. We don’t know how all the guns were acquired, but of the ones we know, 140 were obtained legally and 39 were obtained illegally."

Citation needed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

"Shooters brought an average of four weapons to each shooting; one carried seven guns. We don’t know how all the guns were acquired, but of the ones we know, 140 were obtained legally and 39 were obtained illegally."

so you think 140 guns came from gun shows? that is the most inconvenient way to buy a gun legally.
most of the shooters COULD legally buy guns for themselves and pass background checks because they had no criminal record.
as it should be.

I cut that quote down too much.
no Hardcore Gamers are buying guns from gun shows. they are just stealing guns from legal owners.
Emphasis added.

The average civilian can't own a fully automatic 7.62 rifle, or like, flame throwers for that matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2sC29_XR88

plus violent crime is down a stuffload as is. we can have 10 fold more mass shootings per year and still be safer by thew decade then we were. its not even a big deal.
I think the single biggest factor when it comes to gun violence is the overall wealth inequality in the US. The vast majority of shootings are not the big, publicized ones, but the smaller ones that usually occur between minorities in poor neighborhoods.

Investing in better schools and more opportunities for poor young people is definitely the best strategy for lowering overall gun violence. Unfortunately, people like to hyper-focus on publicized incidents and feel-good solutions like trying to ban as many guns as possible. It's easier in the short-term but won't have any significant results.

pro gun control people go on and on about background checks. but they are already pretty thorough. i dont think they are aware that they are taking place.
The reason why I believe that gun control wouldn't have stopped the Orlando shooting is because the shooter already encountered difficulties purchasing firearms. The first guy that he went to buy from turned him away for being sketchy. And then, all he did was circumvent it by going to someone else. Same thing would probably have happened if he was stopped by law instead.

"Shooters brought an average of four weapons to each shooting; one carried seven guns. We don’t know how all the guns were acquired, but of the ones we know, 140 were obtained legally and 39 were obtained illegally."
Operating off of these statistics, you're probably assuming that a gun ban would have resulted in shooters having 140 less firearms, but that's not correct. Shooters will purchase guns through the most convenient channel available.

For instance, let's say that in 1919, 98% of the alcohol consumed in the United States was legal (made-up figures but probably close to reality). Did prohibition result in a 98% drop in alcohol consumption?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2sC29_XR88
Ban hairspray.

I think the single biggest factor when it comes to gun violence is the overall wealth inequality in the US. The vast majority of shootings are not the big, publicized ones, but the smaller ones that usually occur between minorities in poor neighborhoods.

Investing in better schools and more opportunities for poor young people is definitely the best strategy for lowering overall gun violence. Unfortunately, people like to hyper-focus on publicized incidents and feel-good solutions like trying to ban as many guns as possible. It's easier in the short-term but won't have any significant results.
The reason why I believe that gun control wouldn't have stopped the Orlando shooting is because the shooter already encountered difficulties purchasing firearms. The first guy that he went to buy from turned him away for being sketchy. And then, all he did was circumvent it by going to someone else. Same thing would probably have happened if he was stopped by law instead.
Operating off of these statistics, you're probably assuming that a gun ban would have resulted in shooters having 140 less firearms, but that's not correct. Shooters will purchase guns through the most convenient channel available.

For instance, let's say that in 1919, 98% of the alcohol consumed in the United States was legal (made-up figures but probably close to reality). Did prohibition result in a 98% drop in alcohol consumption?
There would be an increase in price between a firearm manufactured here and sold legally compared to one manufactured elsewhere and smuggled in, all while evading law enforcement. However, you do have a point, where, similar to the war on drugs, if you try to reduce the supply without reducing demand, there will always be people to supply it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2sC29_XR88

kek, really if someone attacked you with that stuff you could probably just like, punch them

the common house holds enough supplies to make a somewhat decent flamethrower (no not an aresol can with a lighter strapped to it)

You could also probably make a decent sized bomb. Happened in Bali. Another big reason why gun control is basically a sham

kek, really if someone attacked you with that stuff you could probably just like, punch them
tell that to the wasps :(

There would be an increase in price between a firearm manufactured here and sold legally compared to one manufactured elsewhere and smuggled in, all while evading law enforcement.
Yes, and a gun ban would have somewhat of an impact on the amount of gun violence perpetrated by gun consumers (as did prohibition on alcohol consumption).

You have to balance whether a small amount of saved lives will balance out depriving people of a legitimate form of self-defense, plus all of the fatalities that will be associated with maintaining the new black market for firearms.

And unless you ban all types of guns (which you shouldn't), restricting criminals to fewer types of guns isn't likely to make much of a dent on the number of gun fatalities in the US. The vast majority of murders in the US are committed with handguns.

Realistically all the guns that we should ban are already banned. The average civilian can't own a fully automatic 7.62 rifle, or like, flame throwers for that matter.

Depends on the state I think, I don't know any guns off the top of my head that are nationally banned though so I'm probably wrong.

Common sense laws would be good to implement. Stuff like background checks, giving the fbi up to 72 hours to prove through fair trial that the person in question was going to commit crimes using the gun bought in order to stop the sale, stuff like that. Of course it won't stop everything, but it follows due process, doesn't violate any rights, isn't any sort of unnecessary burden and will definitely stop some.

Depends on the state I think, I don't know any guns off the top of my head that are nationally banned though so I'm probably wrong.

Well, I actually think you're right. There was a federal ban but I think it's been expired since 04. I can't find any research on the legality of "automatic weapons" without shifting through a metric forgetload of ambiguous definitions of "assault"

Stuff like background checks
they already do?...

giving the fbi up to 72
they fbi already has 3 days to do it...



this is what i mean about gun control people. all the basic common sense stuff has already existed. for some reason they have no idea how hard it already is to get a gun. they cant fathom that there are plenty of legit safe people buying guns when they hear about high gun sales. they want to believe everyone is a murderer, and they have the stufftiest non-solutions.