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but i think it's the fact that he was using those facts to construct the argument that uhh...black people are like, naturally terrible people
Where did he say that they're naturally terrible people? Cause all I see is that he's trying to figure out why black people commit so many crimes

Where did he say that they're naturally terrible people? Cause all I see is that he's trying to figure out why black people commit so many crimes
God dammit I literally posted this on the last page.

https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=299033.msg9122681#msg9122681

wait hold on why are we ignoring the fact that tez's stats say that black people commit more crime and instead opting to argue over how tribal he and his stats are

wait hold on why are we ignoring the fact that tez's stats say that black people commit more crime and instead opting to argue over how tribal he and his stats are
I don't know what selective blindness you've got going on but I think Nonnel said it best.

The facts are not tribal; they're facts. His conclusions are his own, and they are incredibly tribal.

The stats aren't tribal. Saying that black people are violent because of DNA is very, very tribal.

Stereotypes are derived from common, outstanding attributes and behaviour patterns. While stereotypes might be outdated and in some cases oversimplifed, they exist on the basic human need to simplify patterns down to their most basic level. It's a survival skill our ancestors became excellent at to help them identify threats in their environment which has kind of backfired in this modern society.

It is ridiculous to assume people can easily overcome what is part of basic human nature, and still serves some use in today's environment (for example, you probably wouldn't want to walk up to some guy in hoodie brandishing a knife).
i was debating whether to post basically this so i'm glad mcjob did it for me. in truth, stereotypes also aren't always necessarily considered a bad thing, sometimes they can actually be positive and make people more successful (that doesn't make them fair, but it's miles better than having negative stereotypes). but there's a vague point where suddenly you end up in a situation where you're making a lot more assumptions about people than might be fair, and those assumptions, when adopted on a large, society-sized scale, can definitely contribute to very difficult, long-standing problems of prejudice that do, in fact, affect the lives of other people.

wait hold on why are we ignoring the fact that tez's stats say that black people commit more crime and instead opting to argue over how tribal he and his stats are
either because they've decided it's not worth their time to argue with tez about things that seem obvious to them or because we've moved on to other things. probably a combination of both

I don't know what selective blindness you've got going on but I think Nonnel said it best.
i really don't know how to put it into words but this entire time it's just been tez's facts and i feel like i'm making less sense than jitank right now
i guess people just didn't orally accept that black people have committed more crimes

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Alot of people do alot of things that are unitentional. Buying clothers from a company that uses child labor is an unintentional act of supporting child labor.

Look at these, i took the most important part of these articles.
Looking a the second picture, blacks and latinos have a high incarceration rate dispite being the minority and have commit less crime than people with white skin.

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Ok how about we start here. What do you think my arguement is?

Ok how about we start here. What do you think my arguement is?
The reason why I pull slavery into the conversation is because it still effects me today.

i guess people just didn't orally accept that black people have committed more crimes
i think it's pretty easy to accept that, because it's pure statistical data. but it's just that: statistics. it ignores the factors that actually contribute to that figure. it assumes that crime is in a simple relationship with race, and that's obviously not the case. in reality, it's an incredibly complex issue that warrants much more discussion than simply "x people do more crimes, therefore they are more criminal." because everyone knows that people don't just commit crimes for no reason, crime happens as a response to people's intricate needs and desires. and it's baffling that someone would just ignore this myriad of factors just because it supports their prejudiced conclusion. tez seems to expect people to just accept these numbers as if the matter is as simple as that, but it isn't, and that's what the problem is.

i really don't know how to put it into words but this entire time it's just been tez's facts and i feel like i'm making less sense than jitank right now
i guess people just didn't orally accept that black people have committed more crimes
I haven't seen a single person deny that black people commit more crimes, except maybe jitank and to be fully honest I can barely read half his posts. Tezuni is absolutely right in that respect. They're real statistics. Pretty much the entirety of the people actually participating in this thread have accepted that as a fact at this point. The part people are calling tribal is the "blacks are violent because they are black" arguement he's trying to make, not the "blacks commit more crimes" thing.

Hopefully this response makes sense, I'm having trouble enough figuring out what you meant with this,
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i really don't know how to put it into words but this entire time it's just been tez's facts and...
let alone the rest of your post.


mkay because of slavery, Black Americans were placed on a lower than human level, similar to a gorilla in the zoo. As slavery went on, it was common believe that black people were intelligent and morally inferior to white people. A water down version of this ideology still exist today. Examples of this would be the face that black are incarcerated at a high level dispite overall committing less crimes than whites and being the minority 29%. A white criminal has a higher chance of being called in for an interveiw than a black person without a criminal record.

i agree with Otto in the respect that when everything boils down to a certain point, the most accurate thing that can be stated is that criminals commit crimes. much in the same manner that rapists rape and murderers murder.

sorry if that doesn't make sense because sometimes expressing thoughts in words come out awkwardly
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