Author Topic: Women in my country are fighting for abortion laws  (Read 4086 times)

That's an invalid comparison. If the driver accidentally hits the gas pedal and hits a pedestrian which kills them, they are charged with manslaughter.
If someone trips and on the way down their fist hits somebody in the face are they charged with assault?

This logic is plainly wrong. By this logic, the moment a sperm cell enters an egg cell, killing that one single cell that's smaller that's smaller than the eye can see should be criminal. See that future mom over there that accidentally tripped and fell? Well guess what, the single-cell egg died. Lock her the forget up for manslaughter.
So at what stage of development do we get to arbitrarily decide when a Human has the right to life? Because from the moment of conception, that fertilized egg has a full set of DNA and is genetically Human. The only difference between you and them is that they are not as developed as you are, but they will most likely be one day.

See that future mom over there that accidentally tripped and fell? Well guess what, the single-cell egg died. Lock her the forget up for manslaughter.
That's not an exaggeration, that's the scary thing. If killing an egg cell is legally murder, then accidentally causing it to die is the legal definition of manslaughter.
That's an invalid comparison. If the driver accidentally hits the gas pedal and hits a pedestrian which kills them, they are charged with manslaughter.
Governments get to decide what is and isn't a crime, but that does not dictate whether or not it is morally right or wrong. If they did get to legislate morality, then why was what national socialist Germany did to the Jews wrong?

An embryo is about as valuable as the 300-400 eggs that the female body naturally ejects over the course of her life lol.
This is a completely arbitrary statement you've made up. So if we get to decide how valuable another human's life is based on our own whim, why is it wrong for people to kill or hurt you?

YThere isn't even a natural guarantee that a fertilized egg will make it all the way to birth, survive birth, and have a decent life.
There isn't a guarantee that you won't die tomorrow, so why is it wrong for us to kill you today?

As a matter of fact we can see that aborted babies are mostly from burdened and vulnerable low-income communities. What you're saying is that the "potential" for life is more valuable than a human's ability to chose what happens to her own body. You'd willingly hamper/ruin an already established life with a massive financial burden because you believe a glorified ovum has the same value as a person who's already been alive for a long time.
Which has more value and dignity and worth - a human life, or money?

please god tell me that planr is just doing some big sarcasm play

please god tell me that planr is just doing some big sarcasm play

"He's actually putting effort into arguing his point, he must be trolling"

can people with this mentality just loving drown themselves

It's a bit early to be dropping entire paragraphs of my response and trivializing individual points, but I'll humor it anyway

This is a completely arbitrary statement you've made up. So if we get to decide how valuable another human's life is based on our own whim, why is it wrong for people to kill or hurt you?

That's cute. While you're calling my arguments arbitrary and trailing outrageous garbage onto the end of it with little to no relevance, shall I explain the concept of strawman to you?

It's not something I made up. It's literally how ovulation works. The female body will pass around 300-400 of these "potentials for life" into the loving trash over the course of her life. Nobody is grilling them for that. Where exactly do you draw the line for what's valuable and what's not? Speaking of basing value on whim, it seems that you've just drawn an 'arbitrary' line around the zygote for absolutely no reason. Why are eggs and sperm only special when they come together, rather than on their own? I mean, we are talking about potentials here right?

There isn't a guarantee that you won't die tomorrow, so why is it wrong for us to kill you today?

Because I have:
an already established life
and I have:
already been alive for a long time.

Which has more value and dignity and worth - a human life, or money?

Which has more value and dignity and worth - an egg, or an actual, accurately named human's goals, aspirations and plans for their future?

"He's actually putting effort into arguing his point, he must be trolling"

can people with this mentality just loving drown themselves
how bout he's actually putting effort into an extremely dumb argument
i hardly ever dismiss arguments just because it's arguing about something specific but things like thinking abortion is murder is just plain loving stupid
you can't kill something that hasn't even started living yet

actually putting effort into arguing his point

Dunno about that one. Seems to me like he's just oversimplifying everything everyone is saying so he can compare it to Riddler.

Planr's posts make a really good argument for secular states

how bout he's actually putting effort into an extremely dumb argument
i hardly ever dismiss arguments just because it's arguing about something specific but things like thinking abortion is murder is just plain loving stupid
you can't kill something that hasn't even started living yet
you get to decide when life starts?
Dunno about that one. Seems to me like he's just oversimplifying everything everyone is saying so he can compare it to Riddler.
If that's all he's doing it should be easy to logically refute, but I get the feeling that's not all he's doing.
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Forget the manmade legality of it. Accidentally killing the zygote like that would be a tragedy but it isn't murder.
So then... abortion isn't murder?

So then... abortion isn't murder?

whoops accidentally aborted my baby

If the mother doesn't want to bear the child, then it's probably best for the child that she doesn't.
We already have enough children being raised with terrible parenting. Imagine if the parent never wanted the child in the first place.

I also support eugenics.
Why kill them off though? Just keep the people that have been failed by genetics from reproducing, and that's it, there's no need to kill people already so ingrained into society.

Why kill them off though? Just keep the people that have been failed by genetics from reproducing, and that's it, there's no need to kill people already so ingrained into society.

i was just joking on that front, but if i was going to argue for that, the point there would be that resources are being wasted on the infirm that are still living.

Human labour is a powerful resource.