Are any people in America actually oppressed?

[Magus]

Which happened over 50+ years ago mind you.

And has the problem gone away yet?
People like to think that because of the civil rights movement they can just say "job done" and sweep it under the rug.
There's still problems. The cycle of poverty means that it's hard for them to get out of the poverty of their parents and grandparents. Black Lives Matter doesn't exist for no reason. Extremist groups don't pop up out of nowhere, they're symptoms of oppression and desperation. If you're poor and have barely any possessions to your name, what do you have to lose?

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[Perry]

reminder that no white, yellow, red, or black men on earth actually owe black people anything to make up for the slave days

Yes they do. Oppressors owe the oppressed the confirmation that these events can never happen again. There's no monetized repayment or monument needed. Just the consideration and self-awareness of issues is the biggest repayment to anybody. It's to make sure that future generations will never endure what our ancestors had to endure for the last 200+ years. The repayment needs to come from everybody, not just the oppressors, not just the guilty, the innocent. Everybody needs to come together and make the world better for everyone. The moment you start to belittle social issues or dismiss them is the moment that you are officially moving society backwards.

This applies to every genocide in history. Native americans, chinese, armenians, tutsis, etc. The point of civilization is to move on and not make the same mistakes again.

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[log]

The same people always bring up the same arguments, about how black people would be successful if they tried. How about this: if you become a father, try leaving your children. Try not supporting your family and letting your single mother ex struggle to raise her child. Then watch as they move to a more affordable neighborhood in order to stay alive. Watch how the child is forced to attend a stuffty school because of his/her economic status, and watch as their chances of success slowly decrease to a 2-3%.

you make it sound like black fathers are the oppressors here

[Perry]

Atrocities are a loving societal issue. When 9/11 happened, do you think the entire country just sat around and said "wow glad im not them" or do you think they actually worked together to support each other? I'm not saying that everyone is responsible for something that they do, but every person in society should bear the burden equally to solve the issue. This is how problems get solved. Not by blaming some specific group for everything and saying that they're the cause of all the issues (I DONT BELIEVE IN WHITE GUILT). It's everyone's problem and it should be solved by having everyone come together. This is the kind of stuff that MLK proposed.

you make it sound like black fathers are the oppressors here

You could say that. You could also say that the father's father is the oppressor for leaving the father and promoting the absent father mentality. You can keep going back and back until you hit the source of the issue.

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And has the problem gone away yet?

What Perry is talking about, the wide-spread horrible oppression and segregation that happened in the 60s and before, yes that problem is gone.

I'm not saying every problem is gone, I'm just saying the wide-spread racism, segregation, and oppression from back then do not exist in current day society here anymore. There are still other problems that are still here though.

[log]

You could say that. You could also say that the father's father is the oppressor for leaving the father and promoting the absent father mentality. You can keep going back and back until you hit the source of the issue.

what's the source of this issue that forces black men to leave their family

[Perry]

what's the source of this issue that forces black men to leave their family

Their fathers. The fathers of those fathers. The fathers of those other fathers. The father that was lynched by his slave master. The slave master. The person who sold the slaves to the slave master.

If you want to get technical, there are also several other studies that show that male children who are raised without a father present are extremely likely to do the same to their children due to projection. It's not the child's fault, in the end they're missing a key number of learning experiences that only a father can suffice.

[Insert Name Here²]

Their fathers. The fathers of those fathers. The fathers of those other fathers. The father that was lynched by his slave master. The slave master. The person who sold the slaves to the slave master.

How are slave masters and lynchings from 50+ years ago somehow forcing and "oppressing" the fathers of today to leave their families?

How the forget lol

[Perry]

How are slave masters and lynchings from 50+ years ago somehow forcing and "oppressing" the fathers of today to leave their families?

How the forget lol

there are also several other studies that show that male children who are raised without a father present are extremely likely to do the same to their children due to projection. It's not the child's fault, in the end they're missing a key number of learning experiences that only a father can suffice.

its literally a feedback loop. i dont see how you can't make the connection already

[log]

its literally a feedback loop. i dont see how you can't make the connection already

maybe its government's safety nets that reward bad behavior and actively put down the values of family and personal responsibility

[Perry]

maybe its government's safety nets that reward bad behavior and actively put down the values of family and personal responsibility

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[log]

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black fathers are ok with leaving their kids because they know the government will take of everything

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He's saying welfare is gay

[Perry]

black fathers are ok with leaving their kids because they know the government will take of everything

I don't actually know how true this statement is but alright. you're making an assumption about the psychology of a whole demographic of black fathers with no proof that its actually real.