Is islam a religion of peace?

[Planr]

wait what have atheists done

Not necessarily atheists, moreso the philosophy of Atheism that the USSR put into practice; the USSR as a state was responsible for the deaths of over 60 million+ people.

the only reason communist societies are atheistic to begin with is because religion espouses authority figures higher than the state

Interestingly, in those states, when they attempted to ban religion in their territories, they instead elevated their communist leaders as gods to be worshiped instead. Hence why North Koreans and Communists were often required to pledge their undying loyalty to Mao/Stalin and worship them through various forms (visiting and bowing to giant statues of them, being required by the state to hang pictures of them in their houses, absolute glorification of them through state media, etc.).

Don't forget Christianity. Remember the time they attacked the muslims for their religious beliefs and land?

The Crusades were wars carried out by the Roman Catholic Church, a religious group that does not represent biblical Christianity nor reflect its teachings, both in what they teach today and what they did in the Crusades.

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[Scout31]

That was Catholicism, not Christianity. The Crusades and the teachings of the Catholic church are not consistent with what is taught in the bible.

So you're telling me that they did violent things on behalf of their religion because of their teaching? And not the religion itself? Wow, what a concept.

[Magus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[SeventhSandwich]

Interestingly, in those states, when they attempted to ban religion in their territories, they instead elevated their communist leaders as gods to be worshiped instead. Hence why North Koreans and Communists were often required to pledge their undying loyalty to Mao/Stalin and worship them through various forms (visiting and bowing to giant statues of them, being required by the state to hang pictures of them on their wall, absolute glorification of them through state media, etc.).

This is a known defect of Communism, since people don't willingly consent to collectivism unless you have a super strong central government that forces them to do so.

I don't know if I necessarily think that governments should be atheistic, but I definitely think they should be secular. The idea being that the best governments don't push one religion or any religion, but just let people do whatever the hell they please when it comes to personal beliefs.

That was Catholicism, not Christianity. The Crusades and the teachings of the Catholic church are not consistent with what is taught in the bible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Catholicism basically the default form of Christianity for the majority of the time there have been Christians?

[Conan]

Interestingly, in those states, when they attempted to ban religion in their territories, they instead elevated their communist leaders as gods to be worshiped instead. Hence why North Koreans and Communists were often required to pledge their undying loyalty to Mao/Stalin and worship them through various forms (visiting and bowing to giant statues of them, being required by the state to hang pictures of them in their houses, absolute glorification of them through state media, etc.).

thats seventh's point. it isn't atheism, but rather the tenets of "communism" they were made to follow

[Magus]

Something to think about: Isn't holding all Christians responsible for the actions of the Catholic Church the same as holding all Muslims responsible for CIA?

Edit: 10/10 poll.

[SeventhSandwich]

Isn't holding all Christians responsible for the actions of the Catholic Church the same as holding all Muslims responsible for CIA?

It's the exact same thing, and that's probably why people are bringing it up in this thread. They're showing a double-standard.

[Master Matthew²]

Islam is a religion of pieces

[Magus]

Islam is a religion of pieces

Indeed, they have a lot of sects.

[Planr]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Catholicism basically the default form of Christianity for the majority of the time there have been Christians?

Catholicism is as Christian as Mormonism is Christian. They both claim to be Christian, but their doctrines significantly contradict what the Bible has taught from the very beginning; the Bible has always been the cornerstone foundation for Christian doctrine and life.
In the Council of Trent, for example, the Catholic Church ruled that salvation is not by faith alone, but by faith plus a person's works, and that anyone who teaches it is by faith alone is to be anathema. In the Bible, Christ and his followers repeatedly taught that it is faith alone that saves a person (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3, Romans 10, etc).
In Mormonism's 3rd Article of Faith, the LDS Church teaches that a person is saved by obedience to laws and ordinances, again a sharp contradiction of what the Bible has always taught.

It's basically like saying you drive a BMW just because you put a BMW sticker on a Mercedes. It may still be a luxury car and have a BMW tag on it, but it's not a BMW.

Something to think about: Isn't holding all Christians responsible for the actions of the Catholic Church the same as holding all Muslims responsible for CIA?

Yes, it is. I certainly do not hold all Muslims responsible for the atrocities Islamic fundamentalists commit.

[HellHound]

Islam is a religion of peace, and if you disagree we will behead you!

[Scout31]

Something to think about: Isn't holding all Christians responsible for the actions of the Catholic Church the same as holding all Muslims responsible for CIA?

That's my point exactly. Christianity is just as dirty as Islam (if not more), yet it's praised as being infallible and a religion of helping and peace. We had the same bible now and then, and it goes to show that the same religious readings and background can have vastly different interpretations and call for very different actions. Why don't we see topics asking if Christianity is a religion of peace after all the gruesome things done in its name?

[Magus]

About the possibility of a reformation in Islam: it took over a hundred years of warfare in Europe for that to happen, killing millions and wiping out entire towns.

[King Tøny]

About the possibility of a reformation in Islam: it took over a hundred years of warfare in Europe for that to happen, killing millions and wiping out entire towns.

Too bad your medieval RP will never experience real crusades.

[Red Spy]

Edit: Is scout actually pulling the crusades card lmao

wait what have atheists done

Killed 100 million people