Billnye has turned to the darkside

[PhantOS]

Masculinity and femininity are determined by biology though

Masculinity and femininity are defined by society, and it's more of a spectrum. Male and Female are binary, you are either one or the other biologically. However, how masculine you act can't be accurately gauged because different cultures define masculinity differently.

The WHO says that gender is defined by genetics, society, mental health, personality and trauma. All of those factors can influence how you or other people see your gender. However, love can only be defined by genetics

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[Khaz]

Masculinity and femininity are determined by biology though

to some extent, yes.

there's a fine line between actual hormonal masculinity/femininity and societal masculinity/femininity

[Red Spy]

there's a fine line between actual hormonal masculinity/femininity and societal masculinity/femininity

Which is where

[PhantOS]

Which is where

on WHO and ICD's website

[Red Spy]

on WHO and ICD's website

Is that like the only thing you can say now

[PhantOS]

Is that like the only thing you can say now

It should be the only thing i have to say. For some reason you completely ignore solid tried and true evidence in favor of imaginary answers that you try to make up yourself

It's like you're saying "i refuse to educate myself unless that education is in my favor"

[Khaz]

Which is where

hormonal being: natural testosterone/estrogen production, can also be altered with HRTs.

societal (for example) being: a female bodybuilder, or a transgender male or male with a high pitched voice. though these definitions/examples of societal masculinity/femininity can vary from culture to culture.

[Electrk.]

WHO and ICD aren't some all-knowing arbiters of truth lol stop it

That being said though, there are many cultures where there are things men do that would be considered feminine and women masculine to us, and vice versa for our culture to theirs.  So while there are very clear distinct differences between men and women (with many exceptions and a lot in between, obviously), culture definitely plays a large role in how people behave; it'd be naïve to think otherwise.

[Conan]

Masculinity and femininity are determined by biology though

so people becoming transmissions/traps/tomboys/whatever is all genetic? i thought those are primarily character based

[PhantOS]

WHO and ICD aren't some all-knowing arbiters of truth lol stop it

They are probably the most credible source of social science and medical information. They get payed by the UN to deal with global health issues and epidemics, as well as study sociology and its effects on people. What else should I be citing?

WHO doesn't define how cultures see certain genders, it simply states the fact that cultures see genders differently than each other. It's an objective truth because there are several articles that have been published that show the way gender roles are viewed by different communities around the world, and all these articles have shown that they view gender differently.

[Red Spy]

so people becoming transmissions/traps/tomboys/whatever is all genetic? i thought those are primarily character based

Don't ever mention traps again Conan No that'd fall under a mental illness

[Electrk.]

They are probably the most credible source of social science and medical information. They get payed by the UN to deal with global health issues and epidemics, as well as study sociology and its effects on people. What else should I be citing?

discuss the idea instead of saying "WHO says it's true so it is lol checkmate"

[PhantOS]

discuss the idea instead of saying "WHO says it's true so it is lol checkmate"

For the last 10 pages i've been discussing the idea, but for some reason people like Red, Tactical and Matthew like to selectively read the 'discussion' and completely ignore the cited articles, just so they say "i dont see any proof therefore its not true"

I don't see how saying "WHO says its true so it is" is wrong in this case. They said "Different cultures define genders" which is objectively true, as they cited a true-to-life example of where this is exhibited. For example, the hijra are an official third gender that is recognized in India. Saying "gender is not a social construct" is false since there's at least one country in the world (India) that socially constructed gender roles

[Electrk.]

yeah I'm not going to defend those morons

[IkeTheGeneric]

liberal darkside or not that ice cream stuff was cringy