[Real News] Obamacare Repeal Fails

[Deus Ex]

You aren't hoping for them to die--you're just going to let them die because you don't care about their lives. What's the difference? You're sitting back and letting people suffer and die and go bankrupt because you'd save a minuscule amount of money. That's so much better dude. You should be proud.

YES, IT IS DIFFERENT, because when you say I HOPE someone dies that means I am actively wishing for their deaths, and I'm not, so forget off with that bullstuff demonizing rhetoric. I'm simply saying if they drop dead from not having insurance it's not my fault for not wanting to pay extra taxes. That's like saying it's my fault Africans are currently starving to death because I didn't donate to charity, or there's dogs and cats getting gassed to death because I didn't donate enough to PETA. Shut up.

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You've already given me this sob story and I've already stated it's not my problem and I don't want to pay for your diabetes. I've already explained how insurance costs would lower due to actual competition instead of the state-wide monopolies Obamacare has allowed to take control. You would get affordable care by a company who's prices are low enough because if they didn't offer low enough prices they wouldn't get any business. It's not rocket science, you guys are just afraid to lose your free healthcare. Well not everything is free, someone has to pay for it, and I'd rather not. It's that simple.

well if i lose coverage i'm going to have to pay an extra $260 every month out of my would-be savings just so i can breathe without agony. i dont have that kind of money

Get a job that has health insurance then. I don't see why I have to pay for you to keep breathing. I don't care how heartless it sounds, that's how it is. Someone in the middle of bumforget Tennessee shouldn't have to subsidize healthcare for Little Timmy who has a heart condition. I wouldn't expect other people to pay for my health insurance, so I don't see why I should be expected to do the same for other people. Is it selfish? Yes. Why am I not allowed to be selfish? I work and I earn money for MYSELF, not for the whole country or what the forget ever you guys think. I get taxed to keep the government running, not to make sure you get to live comfy. YOU work so YOU get to live comfy.

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[IdeTheBird]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-calls-for-courage-to-fix-obamacare

now obama is begging the dems to repair his broken bill.

forget him and his bad idea. im glad its falling flat on it's face. they can own it and will look the fools when it happens (its been already happening for a year and its glorious)

I don't know if it's completely 'fell on it's face', yet. But it will for sure eventually.

[Acerblock]

You've already given me this sob story and I've already stated it's not my problem and I don't want to pay for your diabetes. I've already explained how insurance costs would lower due to actual competition instead of the state-wide monopolies Obamacare has allowed to take control. You would get affordable care by a company who's prices are low enough because if they didn't offer low enough prices they wouldn't get any business. It's not rocket science, you guys are just afraid to lose your free healthcare. Well not everything is free, someone has to pay for it, and I'd rather not. It's that simple.

I just, ok I don't get it anymore, why does everyone act like health care is this huge commodity that needs competition and companies and all this other crap, health care is not a true free market, never has, never will be. That, plus a lot of other factors, is why in my opinion, of course universal systems are going to be far more advantageous. Sure not everything is perfect, but I do think it's better.

Get a job that has health insurance then. I don't see why I have to pay for you to keep breathing. I don't care how heartless it sounds, that's how it is. Someone in the middle of bumforget Tennessee shouldn't have to subsidize healthcare for Little Timmy who has a heart condition. I wouldn't expect other people to pay for my health insurance, so I don't see why I should be expected to do the same for other people. Is it selfish? Yes. Why am I not allowed to be selfish? I work and I earn money for MYSELF, not for the whole country or what the forget ever you guys think. I get taxed to keep the government running, not to make sure you get to live comfy. YOU work so YOU get to live comfy.

I mean regardless of myself disagreeing with you on a moral and political basis, I do commend you for being brutally honest. That is what allows for the most open and constructive discussions on policy and substance, and you have to have guts to come right out and not care what other people think of your opinion, no matter if it is controversial or not.

[Karl Marx]

why is it that whenever you post something political you come off as a condescending little stuff? everyone else is here arguing like a normal person but you come in like 'no you're all evil you want poor people to die forget all of you' how small of a loving bubble do you live in to say something like that? you don't know a single thing about me, or for that matter, anyone here. this might be a shock to you but you're not a great debater, you just come in and stuff on everyone you don't like

Rare footage of pot calling kettle black must see 2017

[PhantOS]

Get a job that has health insurance then.

i do. i don't know if they are using a private sector for health insurance or public, but i think im reasonably sure not everyone is as lucky as i am to find a small business that has as many benefits as the one i work at does.

I don't see why I have to pay for you to keep breathing. I don't care how heartless it sounds, that's how it is. Someone in the middle of bumforget Tennessee shouldn't have to subsidize healthcare for Little Timmy who has a heart condition. I wouldn't expect other people to pay for my health insurance, so I don't see why I should be expected to do the same for other people. Is it selfish? Yes. Why am I not allowed to be selfish? I work and I earn money for MYSELF, not for the whole country or what the forget ever you guys think. I get taxed to keep the government running, not to make sure you get to live comfy. YOU work so YOU get to live comfy.

you're literally paying mere cents a month. quit crying. i probably pay the same amount as you or the next person. i don't want to pay for the road that leaves a white supremacist's house but i have to because everyone supports each other whether they like it or not

you're allowed to be selfish all you want. you can murder your girlfriend and steal her car if you want to be really selfish. sadly, selfishness is bad for society. this is why we don't allow it. don't play the selfish argument- having to pay like one dollar extra a month is objectively better than having me pay $200 a month

[GRIMLOCK_]

Symptomatic of an incompetent administration

are we ignoring the fact that this quote came from a person who roleplays as the author of the single most damaging ideology in the last 150+ years?

[PhantOS]

I benefit from roads and infrastructure, and from the military and other services that protect ME
how does me shilling out money for someone I don't even know benefit me? that's forced charity, and it shouldn't be part of my taxes

i don't know but if i lived in the same stat as you your roads would also payed for by me. i guess that's forced charity too. i don't want to be paying for your roads. i don't know you. however, the reason your roads are there is because millions of people who dont know you and dont want to pay for your stuff end up being forced to pay for your stuff

[Deus Ex]

i do. i don't know if they are using a private sector for health insurance or public, but i think im reasonably sure not everyone is as lucky as i am to find a small business that has as many benefits as the one i work at does.
you're literally paying mere cents a month. quit crying. i probably pay the same amount as you or the next person

you're allowed to be selfish all you want. you can murder your girlfriend and steal her car if you want to be really selfish. sadly, selfishness is bad for society. this is why we don't allow it

CENTS A MONTH?
There's been articles about the high costs on the middle class since 2013 what the forget are you on
And it's not just taxes it's also the deductibles and all sorts of other stuff that forget us over

Don't compare me murdering my girlfriend to not paying for your meds dude that's loving handicapped

i don't know but if i lived in the same stat as you your roads would also payed for by me.

loving stuff argument because roads are public infrastructure and not comparable to what SHOULD be a private concern like healthcare

[IkeTheGeneric]

You've already given me this sob story and I've already stated it's not my problem and I don't want to pay for your diabetes.

Wow, what a cowardly loving response. It's my problem, that's why I'm presenting my take on the matter. If you're going to crumble into your own mess of whining and bullstufftery every time somebody responds, don't even bother posting in the first place.

I've already explained how insurance costs would lower due to actual competition instead of the state-wide monopolies Obamacare has allowed to take control

And it was completely and utterly disregarded being it's completely wrong. The state of healthcare is the way it is because of corporate intervention, not because m-muh Obamacare. ACA was a (Misguided, at best) step in the right direction and stuffheels like you whine because you have to pay taxes. Big whoop.

You already ignored any points I brought up because, and this is my theory, you're emotionally incapable of coming to terms with the fact you were wrong about something. You should look into the whole ordeal sometime, considering how strongly you feel about this.

You would get affordable care by a company who's prices are low enough because if they didn't offer low enough prices they wouldn't get any business.

Yeah, in a dream maybe. How it is now is how it is, and your magical solutions suck stuff and aren't happening anytime soon. I'd like to plan my life with realistic projections instead of some libertarian lala land thank you very much.

Well not everything is free, someone has to pay for it

If you weren't too stupid to read my whole post you would have caught the part where I cannot afford insulin without coverage. Stressing that part because you seem to keep missing it. I'm already paying bills, insurance on my car, groceries every week and the checkups for my family. I'm not some lazy do-nothing liberal that you wait night and forgetin day to destroy verbally in an argument, I'm an adult taxpayer whose been dealt a stuff hand and really doesn't need to lose healthcare just because I can't find a job that offers their own plan.

Yeah, the current state of health care sucks stuff, too. I wish it were better, but your party proposed an awful loving plan. Doubling down on the selfish "REEE STOP TAKING MY loving MONEY GOVERNMENT" is just gonna make you look like a petulant child.

[ultimamax]

okay if you want your verbal horsestuff to be taken seriously then you should know that conservatives on average give WAY MORE to charity than any other party, so your pathetic loving idealized "selfish conservatives" FANTASY can go shrivel up with the rest of your intelligence

The study says that giving to your church is considered charitable giving. That's why Utahans are so high up there - lots of Mormons giving lots of money to LDS. That doesn't mean that that money is necessarily going to people who need it.

I benefit from roads and infrastructure, and from the military and other services that protect ME
how does me shilling out money for someone I don't even know benefit me? that's forced charity, and it shouldn't be part of my taxes
if I want to give money to sick people who need treatment then I'll give them the loving money, I don't need the government to do it for me

Other people benefit from roads/infrastructure/the military/other services too? Should you pay less taxes than a trucker because truckers use roads more? How is paying for roads not shilling out money for someone you don't know? In a system where your taxes go to other people's healthcare, you too would benefit from that publicized healthcare in the same way you benefit from other things your taxes pay for.

Get a job that has health insurance then. I don't see why I have to pay for you to keep breathing. I don't care how heartless it sounds, that's how it is. Someone in the middle of bumforget Tennessee shouldn't have to subsidize healthcare for Little Timmy who has a heart condition. I wouldn't expect other people to pay for my health insurance, so I don't see why I should be expected to do the same for other people. Is it selfish? Yes. Why am I not allowed to be selfish? I work and I earn money for MYSELF, not for the whole country or what the forget ever you guys think. I get taxed to keep the government running, not to make sure you get to live comfy. YOU work so YOU get to live comfy.

At least you're honest about not wanting healthcare to be a fundamental right for everyone. I think you shouldn't have to die just because you're poor, because America isn't a meritocracy where you can easily move up in income.


Supposedly the ACA significantly slowed the rate at which the per capita cost of healthcare was growing in America, but America still has the highest per capita health care expenditure out of any developed country in the world and had it the whole time the ACA was in effect (and possibly before, I don't have data on that)

[Acerblock]

Again, health care will never loving be a proper free market.

[Khaz]

everyone else is here arguing like a normal person

this could not be farther from the truth

why single out mczealot when everyone else is throwing insults as well?

[Acerblock]

this could not be farther from the truth

why single out mczealot when everyone else is throwing insults as well?

because forget you bruh

[Karl Marx]

"I don't like paying taxes" is the most selfish reasoning for allowing people's lives to be ruined I've heard yet. Then again, Capitalism hasn't been kind to the middle class. God forbid we make rich people pay for something every once in a while, rather than dump the burden on everyone else.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Also the fact that Deus Ex keeps talking about paying for my insurance leads me to believe he has absolutely no idea how ANY of this works. I'm gonna honestly stop responding to his asinine arguments until he decides to figure out exactly what he's talking about, considering how strongly he feels about the topic.