Author Topic: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber  (Read 28438 times)

Do I piss you off

I wasn't insulting you I'm just starting a fact. I've seen you bitch more about other people's jokes then I've seen you actually attempt to make jokes yourself and when you do they are painfully unfunny.

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788

Admittedly before I started to really look into this, I read this article and sided with the author. What do you guys think?
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I wasn't insulting you I'm just starting a fact. I've seen you bitch more about other people's jokes then I've seen you actually attempt to make jokes yourself and when you do they are painfully unfunny.

Yeah dude you are hilarious

You make me want to support circumcision just because of how much of an obnoxious handicap you are.

User was banned for this post

Yeah dude you are hilarious


Compared to when you post this ever time you get BTFO.
Gottem

Yeah you're a comedic genius.

Compared to when you post this ever time you get BTFO.
Yeah you're a comedic genius.

Correction: Every time I get circumcised the forget off

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788

Admittedly before I started to really look into this, I read this article and sided with the author. What do you guys think?
A thinkpiece on medium dot com has more factual depth and relevancy than a stuffty manifesto passed around the Google office by some under-qualified manchild. Interesting.

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788

Admittedly before I started to really look into this, I read this article and sided with the author. What do you guys think?
what do you mean by the author? the author of this article, or of the memo? I sided with the memo author initially before reading this article, and still think he didn't do anything severely wrong other than point 3 listed in the article you linked.

i cant make any judgements on his point 1 or 2 since i didn't actually have the opportunity to go through the memo in depth, but another article i read supporting the memo author quoted relevant swaths of the memo that refer to the evidence he puts forth, and it looks like a valid enough point. however, the fact that the memo itself creates a hostile work environment is enough grounds imo to fire a person.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 09:13:18 PM by Conan »

Gizmodo actually edited the "manifesto" (it's a loving memo you dips calm down) to not include any of the graphs, sources or fancy editing. Here's the ACTUAL unedited memo:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

All of his claims are backed by science and notable sources like The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. This kid has a Master of Science from Harvard and a BS from the University of Illinois, both degrees SPECIFICALLY in Biology. He knows what the forget he's talking about. Better yet, he was a leftist who had suggested a better way of getting women into tech than using diversity quotas and discriminatory hiring. To say that this guy was a troll who pulled things out of his ass to piss some people off is wrong on all levels.

The best part is that everything he said got proven true not even a day after he was fired. He says that Google has a problem with different opinions, and they fire him, saying that they don't like his opinions. He says women on average tend to be more emotional and on average take more sick days, and a substantial group of women got so offended that they collectively took a sick day. Things couldn't get any better for this guy.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 09:21:33 PM by Tactical Nuke »

Kimon dismisses your post because COMMUNISM


Kimon dismisses your post because he's too attached to these forums and can't stand losing an argument.
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Gizmodo actually edited the "manifesto" (it's a loving memo you dips calm down) to not include any of the graphs, sources or fancy editing. Here's the ACTUAL unedited memo:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

All of his claims are backed by science and notable sources like The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. This kid has a Master of Science from Harvard and a BS from the University of Illinois, both degrees SPECIFICALLY in Biology. He knows what the forget he's talking about. Better yet, he was a leftist who had suggested a better way of getting women into tech than using diversity quotas and discriminatory hiring. To say that this guy was a troll who pulled things out of his ass to piss some people off is wrong on all levels.

The best part is that everything he said got proven true not even a day after he was fired. He says that Google has a problem with different opinions, and they fire him, saying that they don't like his opinions. He says women on average tend to be more emotional and on average take more sick days, and a substantial group of women got so offended that they collectively took a sick day. Things couldn't get any better for this guy.
biology =/= sociology or psychology tho, which is what is relevant in terms of his memo's topic.

did you read the article on medium posted a few times in this topic? the third point in it, which is about how the memo would create a hostile working environment, is honestly a pretty valid point, and is strong enough grounds to fire the dude. having this memo internally distributed and talked about would divide the workplace into people who support him and people who dont support him, and would cause workplace politics that would actively get in the way of doing their job.

eg: imagine if you found out your coworker was leisuresuit/kimon, and vice versa. if both of you were in the same room, wouldnt it be far harder to focus on doing your work? or at least far easier to have simple conversations flare up into resentment/workplace conflict?

now imagine if leisuresuit, red spy, seventh, and corderlain were around too. its pretty easy to see why they needed to fire him immediately
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 09:30:37 PM by Conan »


biology =/= sociology or psychology tho, which is what is relevant in terms of his memo's topic.

Okay. That doesn't mean he's wrong, though.

did you read the article on medium posted a few times in this topic? the third point in it, which is about how the memo would create a hostile working environment, is honestly a pretty valid point, and is strong enough grounds to fire the dude. having this memo internally distributed and talked about would divide the workplace into people who support him and people who dont support him, and would cause workplace politics that would actively get in the way of doing their job.

Google would've taken a hit no matter what reason they fired him for, because regardless he would be proven right. It's just icing on the cake that Sundar Pichai came out and ragged on the guy's "offensive" opinions.

Gizmodo actually edited the "manifesto" (it's a loving memo you dips calm down) to not include any of the graphs, sources or fancy editing. Here's the ACTUAL unedited memo:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

All of his claims are backed by science and notable sources like The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. This kid has a Master of Science from Harvard and a BS from the University of Illinois, both degrees SPECIFICALLY in Biology. He knows what the forget he's talking about. Better yet, he was a leftist who had suggested a better way of getting women into tech than using diversity quotas and discriminatory hiring. To say that this guy was a troll who pulled things out of his ass to piss some people off is wrong on all levels.

The best part is that everything he said got proven true not even a day after he was fired. He says that Google has a problem with different opinions, and they fire him, saying that they don't like his opinions. He says women on average tend to be more emotional and on average take more sick days, and a substantial group of women got so offended that they collectively took a sick day. Things couldn't get any better for this guy.
Really? He linked to a single wikipedia page with the broad topic of "biological differences in males and females" without specifying what we should be looking for. He doesn't brown townyze how the different social conditions of young boys and girls changes their mindsets from an early age, or how hightened empathy in any way translates to lessened technical skills. Unsurprisingly, it's because he's completely unqualified in the field of sociology/psychology. His first mistake was noting the differences as "biological" in a half-hearted appeal to his education. Despite his insistence, those studies and brown townyses are, and always will, remain in the domain of psychology and sociology. No amount of skimming on a wikipedia page will make you understand how these results apply in a setting like the one mr. Qualified attempt to shoehorn them in, without formal education. This led to a stuffty, accusatory and amateurish essay, and more importantly, his termination.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 09:55:49 PM by Karl Marx »