Author Topic: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber  (Read 28421 times)

Yeah it's not like you can be self employed and obtain money your own way. Nah thats not realistic.
If it's that easy, why aren't you running your own multinational business? Aren't you a tar-shoveling lackey? Why haven't you employed yourself yet?
Yeah instead of having multiple potential monopolies that are entirely dependent on people willingly using their products lets just have one big monopoly with the government in charge of everything, but thats okay, they are totally for the people it's not like there is an insane amount of corruption within the US government, thats just silly.
The people want what's best for themselves. When the people are allowed to work towards the interests of the people, unimpeded by a a layer of corporate-fueled bureaucracy, they are working towards their own interests.
This is so disingenuous that it hurts.

Because it doesn't matter. A boy who has his genitals chopped off and is raised as a girl will still have the same mindset, as shown by the David Reimer experiment.
The David Reimer experiment was a wildly unusual, and overall irrelevant, piece of evidence. It proves the malleability of gender and the power of loveual reassignment, but nothing of particular importance to different chemicals in your brain which are inconsistent and different in every living person.
Because he's not making that point. He's trying to say why women might be less interested in tech, not why they are biologically inferior to men in that standard and should be kept out at all costs. In this case, systemizing interests (drive to brown townyze/construct systems) WOULD be better-suited for coding.
He made the point that they might not be interested in jobs as they are currently laid out, which is to say, pandering to the strengths of what he perceives to be male-specific thought patterns. Rather than suggest a reworking of job structures to allow a broader range of thought, effectively becoming more efficient, he simply comes to the conclusion that there are naturally going to be less women in certain positions. I have outlined this previously.
How is pointing out the differences in the male and female brain not biological? I don't want to get into Lord Tony territory but you realize that all the cognitive processes in the brain are just chemical reactions and therefore, if men and women think differently that implies that different chemical processes happen in male/female brains? Plus, this guy went to Harvard and has a Masters degree. He doesn't seem to be the person to just present stuff without fully researching it.
The purely biological, chemical and brain matter distributions have little to nothing to do with the emergence of female thought tendencies. Biological function can alter the efficacy of systematic socialization, but it is the socialization itself that serves as the formative basis for male/female though patterns. Simply put, women are raised to be more empathetic, while men are raised to be more competitive. This is something that can be overcome, not just something we are forced to live with.
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If any of that doesn't matter, then why isn't there one gender/love?

If any of that doesn't matter, then why isn't there one gender/love?
Females developed specific organs to carry children. Men developed specific organs to impregnate women.

The David Reimer experiment proves the malleability of gender

lol

lol
Man, you try figuring out what that forgeted up experiment was supposed to mean. When you castrate a child and essentially rape them multiple times, you're going to end up with a broken and psychologically tortured human more than you will conclusive proof that certain differences are inherent in the lovees. He ended up acting like a girl, but he also got several debilitating mental illnesses. That tends to fog up the results of an experiment.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 11:10:00 PM by Karl Marx »

He made the point that they might not be interested in jobs as they are currently laid out, which is to say, pandering to the strengths of what he perceives to be male-specific thought patterns. Rather than suggest a reworking of job structures to allow a broader range of thought, effectively becoming more efficient, he simply comes to the conclusion that there are naturally going to be less women in certain positions. I have outlined this previously.

Except he absolutely did suggest a reworking of job structures and you're bullstuffting again.

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Non-discriminatory ways to reduce the gender gap
  • We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming.
  • Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive.
  • Make tech and leadership less stressful.
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Except he absolutely did suggest a reworking of job structures and you're bullstuffting again.


The fact that he makes a point of saying "this can only be so effective" only solidifies the fact that this memo came off as hostile to those who did not have a specific set of skills/a specific manner of thinking more than it did a genuine effort to encourage reform. This is why he was fired.

Notice also that he only suggests a "Reduction" of the gender gap, and not the elimination of it?

If it's that easy, why aren't you running your own multinational business?

You don't need to run a multinational business to survive dumbass

Aren't you a tar-shoveling lackey?

Aren't you a minimum wage working parasite with no skills to warrant any sort of raise? You realize that I make well over three times the amount of money you do being a 'tar-shoveling lackey' right?

Why haven't you employed yourself yet?

Don't need to.

The people want what's best for themselves. When the people are allowed to work towards the interests of the people, unimpeded by a a layer of corporate-fueled bureaucracy, they are working towards their own interests.

And 'the people', those being the majority of people who actually work realize that capitalism is in the best interests of the people, not the government have one big monopoly on everything.


The fact that he makes a point of saying "this can only be so effective" only solidifies the fact that this memo came off as hostile to those who did not have a specific set of skills/a specific manner of thinking more than it did a genuine effort to encourage reform. This is why he was fired.

Notice also that he only suggests a "Reduction" of the gender gap, and not the elimination of it?

he's saying "don't trick people into applying for and working jobs they won't like by hyping it up with feminist bullstuff", not "every single girl working in the classes is completely unfit for not only Google but for tech in general"

also waaaah boohoo there's an imbalance between men and women in all fields
get the forget over it
if people actually wanted 50-50 representation in jobs, they'd advocate for 50-50 representation in sewage plants and plumbing before even touching Google

I was in the middle of something and I couldn't type a full reply but what I really wanted to say in response was it's not a dumb comment. The current politics of the left involve echo chambers and shouting people who disagree w/ them back into silence, after removing them from social media and stripping them of their livelihoods. This has happened time and time again to many people who might not even be on the right, but are simply to the right of the far left, which has wrestled control from the more sane people to continue pushing their identity politics. Seventh here doesn't have to be a part of this strain of liberalism was what I was saying. It doesn't need him to sustain itself.
Your comment just seemed sort of like a stretch. Of course he didn't get to vote in it, he has nothing to do with Google, it's not because of some profound problem with the left. I get what you were going for.

Would like to note Google is already undergoing a DOJ investigation for underpaying / underrepresenting women and minorities even worse than what one might expect of the tech industry.

Notice also that he only suggests a "Reduction" of the gender gap, and not the elimination of it?

why does gender even matter kimon

why does gender even matter kimon

he needs that affirmative-action pusillanimous individual man

And 'the people', those being the majority of people who actually work realize that capitalism is in the best interests of the people, not the government have one big monopoly on everything.
Are you being obtuse on purpose by insisting the a bureaucracy runs everything under communism despite me informing you otherwise?
waaaah boohoo there's an imbalance between men and women in all fields
get the forget over it
You really seem to lack experience with facing these sorts of problems (such as being denied from a job you trained for years in order to get because the job is designed around a male niche, or being unable to get a job better that the one you have because of the area you live in) if your response to them is commonly "get over it, I can." You getting over the fact that other people suffer is a lot easier than people "getting over" the fact that they may be locked out of the field they are trained in.

do you hate men kimon