Charlottesville protests thread

[Deus Ex]

rights to what, be an starfish and break their tos?

Well, I mean, yeah?
I think if your ToS allows you kick people off your platform for speech you find disagreeable it should be in violation of the 1st Amendment
The only thing that needs to be curtailed are calls to violence, otherwise it should all be free to say. The only reason we're able to shut people up on either side is because we let them talk then debate them into irrelevance.

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[Remurr]

we defeated the national socialists once, we will do it again

yeah, you don't get to be a national socialist and a proud american. nationalism isn't patriotism

[IkeTheGeneric]

I think if your ToS allows you kick people off your platform for speech you find disagreeable it should be in violation of the 1st Amendment

If you agree to their ToS and get kicked for violating the ToS, it is in no way violation of your 1st Amendment rights

This is a simple matter of "Don't associate with neo-national socialists or spread hatespeech on our platform." It's not like you can accidentally do either.

[Electrk.]

nationalism isn't patriotism

???

[Nonnel]

nationalism is like patriotism squared

[SWAT One]

If you agree to their ToS and get kicked for violating the ToS, it is in no way violation of your 1st Amendment rights

This, as agreeing to it counts as waiving those rights when using said service.

[IkeTheGeneric]

???

Patriotism: My home is great
Nationalism: My home is the greatest

it's more complicated than that, but the gist of it is nationalism is patriotism taken to a logical extreme

[beachbum111111]

https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/897170310348263426


cue the butthurt "muh freedom of speech"

I should make an Islamic State discord. Who's with me?

[Electrk.]

Patriotism: My home is great
Nationalism: My home is the greatest

it's more complicated than that, but the gist of it is nationalism is patriotism taken to a logical extreme

yeah but the way he said it made it seem like they're mutually exclusive or something

[Deus Ex]

If you agree to their ToS and get kicked for violating the ToS, it is in no way violation of your 1st Amendment rights

This is a simple matter of "Don't associate with neo-national socialists or spread hatespeech on our platform." It's not like you can accidentally do either.

The keyword there is should. Obviously it doesn't. But imo that's simply because the law has yet to catch up with the internet.

[Verification]

I should make an Islamic State discord. Who's with me?

there needs to be more serious discords with more or less chill people who don't follow their forum persona around and don't shape their surroundings according to what people say (like grimlock saying "BAN (X)" randomly). But ofcourse it would be shot down, so make it private if you do make it.

[beachbum111111]

there needs to be more serious discords with more or less chill people who don't follow their forum persona around and don't shape their surroundings according to what people say (like grimlock saying "BAN (X)" randomly). But ofcourse it would be shot down, so make it private if you do make it.

There is already

[otto-san]

Well, I mean, yeah?
I think if your ToS allows you kick people off your platform for speech you find disagreeable it should be in violation of the 1st Amendment
The only thing that needs to be curtailed are calls to violence, otherwise it should all be free to say. The only reason we're able to shut people up on either side is because we let them talk then debate them into irrelevance.

the 1st amendment doesn't ever apply to private persons or organizations. it just applies to the federal government (and state governments, but only because the supreme court decided that it should)

of course, it goes against the principles of the first amendment, that much is fair enough

[Remurr]

yeah but the way he said it made it seem like they're mutually exclusive or something

i don't consider a nationalist a patriot. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nonnel]

The keyword there is should. Obviously it doesn't. But imo that's simply because the law has yet to catch up with the internet.

If you accept the terms of agreement for anything that restricts certain rights, internet or not, you forfeit those rights for as long as you abide by those. Otherwise you could go to court for Breach of Contract or otherwise be kicked off whatever that thing is.