A Petition to Declare Antifa a Terrorist Organization on Whitehouse.gov | IT PASSED!

[Deus Ex]

Like I said, if you guys wanna split hairs then you're free to do so, but that doesn't change anything.

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[IkeTheGeneric]

Like I said, if you guys wanna split hairs then you're free to do so, but that doesn't change anything.

You're right, no matter how much logic is used here you're still going to double down in your dumb rhetoric. Thank god you don't have any legislative authority over this issue.

[Master Matthew²]

Like I said, if you guys wanna split hairs then you're free to do so, but that doesn't change anything.

Deus is right, you guys are going down a borderline no true scotsman route in order to try and counter a statement that is true in the context of reality.

[ultimamax]

Deus is right, you guys are going down a borderline no true scotsman route in order to try and counter a statement that is true in the context of reality.

Would love to have it explained to me how you can declare something that isn't an organization to be an organization

[Deus Ex]

You're right, no matter how much logic is used here you're still going to double down in your dumb rhetoric. Thank god you don't have any legislative authority over this issue.

I mean, one of you just said BLM isn't an organization simply because they don't have a centralized leadership.
That's dumb as stuff. I already stated that if you want to say the entirety of Antifa isn't a organization, sure. But, like I said, there are local chapters that can definitely be counted as organizations. You guys act like people who simply use the hashtag would be counted as terrorists. That'd be handicapped. It would be the people on the ground, hiding their faces and beating the living stuff out of people. I know there's people in Antifa that aren't of the #BashtheFash variety, but that doesn't change the facts. What does Antifa have to do to be an organization, take over a state? Have a defacto leader? Would CIA not be an organization if they didn't have a leader? Is the kool kids klub no longer considered an organization if there's no grand wizard?

Would love to have it explained to me how you can declare something that isn't an organization to be an organization

The only thing any of you have to say in this matter is "It is not an organization", which isn't an argument, just a falsehood.

"An organization or organisation is an entity comprising multiple people, such as an institution or an association, that has a collective goal and is linked to an external environment. "

Like I said, you guys are just trying to split hairs. You can say it's an organization while disagreeing with it being classified as a terrorist one, you know?

[IkeTheGeneric]

"It is not an organization", which isn't an argument

I called it an autonomous group organized over social media, far removed from what an organization is, which from everything I know was a correct statement. All you've provided so far is doubling down on what you've already said and not really explaining to me how it's an organization.

You're just wrong about this one. It's insane that you're continuing to argue this.

[Deus Ex]

I called it an autonomous group organized over social media, which from everything I know was a correct statement. All you've provided so far is doubling down on what you've already said and not really explaining to me how it's an organization.

You're just wrong about this one. It's insane that you're continuing to argue this.

So they're an organized group? How is that not an organization? If a group of 50 white supremacists organize repeatedly on social media under a  flag of their own and go out and have demonstrations, how in the forget is that not an organization? Or even a political organization? Because there's no leader? Do you guys even see how ridiculous that sounds?

[Drydess]

So they're an organized group? How is that not an organization? If a group of 50 white supremacists organize repeatedly on social media under a  flag of their own and go out and have demonstrations, how in the forget is that not an organization? Because there's no leader? Do you guys even see how ridiculous that sounds?

if you organize your friend a birthday party does that make you a party organization

[IkeTheGeneric]

So they're an organized group? How is that not an organization?

Antifa doesn't have any sort of enterprise, headquarters, political leader or anything tying them together as an organization. The group if comprised of offshoot organized groups and lone-wolf protesters collaborating publicly over social media. The latter of the two doesn't make them an organization because IF small offshoot groups bearing the name of an autonomous group made them an organization, that would make a metric forgetton of legal loopholes that would be incredibly insane.

If you and a bunch of people got together over social media to protest the removal of a statue, calling yourselves the #Statuenauts, you wouldn't become a political organization. The same is true for Antifa.

[Deus Ex]

if you organize your friend a birthday party does that make you a party organization

Is a birthday party a political gathering or a loving birthday party?
I mean did you even think that through or did you think "HA, GOTTEM WITH THIS ONE" and posted away?

Antifa doesn't have any sort of enterprise, headquarters, political leader or anything tying them together as an organization. The group if comprised of offshoot organized groups and lone-wolf protesters collaborating publicly over social media. The latter of the two doesn't make them an organization because IF small offshoot groups bearing the name of an autonomous group made them an organization, that would make a metric forgetton of legal loopholes that would be incredibly insane.

If you and a bunch of people got together over social media to protest the removal of a statue, calling yourselves the #Statuenauts, you wouldn't become a political organization. The same is true for Antifa.

Now you're just ignoring the part where I said you could consider the state-level chapters organizations if you really want to keep splitting hairs the way you insist on doing. If you insist on saying Antifa isn't an organization, fine, whatever, but you can't say the same for the state chapters, because these people do organize themselves in cities and states for these counter protests. And it's kind of ridiculous to even do that considering it's not like they have a different mission statement per chapter; it's all the same. Bash the fash and other commie bullstuff.
And you keep making this hashtag comparison like Antifa is just a thing on twitter or something. You can't be this stupid, so at this point you're just arguing because you don't want to be wrong. And if you want to do that then go ahead. But Antifa isn't just a political movement. Every argument you guys are using can be applied to the kool kids klub. The kool kids klub has no centralized leadership, so we shouldn't consider it an organization, right? They have large chapters scattered throughout the US and no one person presides over them as a whole, so the kool kids klub is just a political movement, right? You act like Antifa only has presence on social media. Like it's not on campuses or they don't gather in large groups to discuss the best way to beat the stuff out of people.

[Drydess]

Is a birthday party a political gathering or a loving birthday party?
I mean did you even think that through or did you think "HA, GOTTEM WITH THIS ONE" and posted away?

my point is if you think "#ANTIFA YEA!!" makes you a part of an organization youre an idiot

[IkeTheGeneric]

Is a birthday party a political gathering or a loving birthday party?
I mean did you even think that through or did you think "HA, GOTTEM WITH THIS ONE" and posted away?

So are you going to read any of these posts or just entrench yourself in your belief with basically no foundation to your logic? No wait, lemme guess, you're going to continue getting more and more upset before you're like "forget this im goin to SLEEP your all stupid!!"

[Deus Ex]

my point is if you think "#ANTIFA YEA!!" makes you a part of an organization youre an idiot

I never said that though so shut the forget up

So are you going to read any of these posts or just entrench yourself in your belief with basically no foundation to your logic? No wait, lemme guess, you're going to continue getting more and more upset before you're like "forget this im goin to SLEEP your all stupid!!"

I've read them and it doesn't make me any less right, or you any less wrong, so I don't know what you want me to do? Change the definition of an organization? Ring up all the Antifa chapters and ask them to disband? Change up their flag or something?

[Drydess]

I never said that though so shut the forget up

so how the forget should antifa qualify as an organization then because they literally aren't

[Deus Ex]

so how the forget should antifa qualify as an organization then because they literally aren't

If you think Antifa is just a hashtag you are literally braindead beyond help