banned for clickpushing

[IkeTheGeneric]

Yeah I can understand that maybe a permanent ban was too harsh.  But to be fair to Razer, he gave out numerous warnings which were blatantly ignored, so removing him permanently seems like a really good option compared to banning him for some amount of time only to deal with his stuff again later.

Since nobody here is offering context as to what happened, I'm just going to assume that OP wasn't completely ruining everyone's fun through click-pushing, so I don't get what this "Deal with his stuff again later" thing comes from.

How annoying was OP being?

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[AverageDude]

Unless OP was click-pushing people off of ledges maliciously, banning somebody for randomly pushing people is the equivalent of banning somebody for hitting others with a hammer outside of a minigame or spray painting them.

Let's be honest here, there's only two reasons someone would do that:
a. To get someone's attention.

b. To be an annoyance.

I don't think banning someone for doing option a would be a good thing, but banning someone for doing option b is okay.

The impression I get here is that Razer was watching over the players and giving OP stuff for walking around and clicking people. I get that OP defied the admin's command but I gotta be honest if an admin told me to stop click pushing people after I pushed a couple dudes around I'd probably think the admin is a loving idiot

The difference is uh... Razer told You to stop more than once, and You ignored Razer and continued to push people for no reason.  While the example you give only says you being told to not do something once and then thinking that the admin is an idiot for trying to prevent you from getting banned and ruining the experience of others.

[Shift Kitty]

Let's face the facts. You got banned because he didn't get his tits out.

[AverageDude]

Since nobody here is offering context as to what happened, I'm just going to assume that OP wasn't completely ruining everyone's fun through click-pushing, so I don't get what this "Deal with his stuff again later" thing comes from.

How annoying was OP being?

It's pretty much there on the first post.  You is ignoring the warnings which Razer gives him to stop him from pushing people around for no good reason when you're only supposed to use clickpush when it's necessary.  

An example of a necessary situation to use clickpush is when someone is being an annoyance and is purposefully blocking a doorway to prevent you from progressing, so you push him out of the way.  
An example of an unnecessary situation to use clickpush is to randomly push people around when they're trying to do things, or starting a giant clickpush fight; which distracts from the serious gamemode that Jack is trying to create, but is unable to because no one takes it seriously.

Ignoring the commands given from an admin is pretty much very annoying in itself.

[PhantOS]

Let's face the facts. You got banned because he didn't get his tits out.

noyer saw through his disguise

[IkeTheGeneric]

You is ignoring the warnings which Razer gives him to stop him from pushing people around for no good reason when you're only supposed to use clickpush when it's necessary.  

Before I continue trying to pick apart your logic here, what does click-pushing people necessarily do? Does it launch people backwards, does it do something that can impede gameplay?

[Darryl McKoy]

Unless OP was click-pushing people off of ledges maliciously, banning somebody for randomly pushing people is the equivalent of banning somebody for hitting others with a hammer outside of a minigame or spray painting them.

Ok sure, but he was warned twice. Is he special needs? Is there some reason why 2 warnings is not sufficient?

[McJob]

which distracts from the serious gamemode that Jack is trying to create, but is unable to because no one takes it seriously.

Sounds like Jack might be a bit of an brown town-retentive, uptight nerd tbh.

[AverageDude]

Before I continue trying to pick apart your logic here, what does click-pushing people necessarily do? Does it launch people backwards, does it do something that can impede gameplay?

Clickpushing is essentially forcefully moving someone from their original position in the direction you face, which is annoying if you're trying to do something like go somewhere.  But maybe not as annoying if you're just standing still doing nothing.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Ok sure, but he was warned twice. Is he special needs? Is there some reason why 2 warnings is not sufficient?

OP thinks the warnings were unreasonable and didn't respect the rule, leading him to challenge it through this thread. I'm beginning to think you have a pretty heavy stake here in the discussion considering how hard you're trying to insult him over this corny-ass ban

Clickpushing is essentially forcefully moving someone from their original position in the direction you face, which is annoying if you're trying to do something like go somewhere.  But maybe not as annoying if you're just standing still doing nothing.

So what I'm getting out of this is that click pushing is causing more problems than it's worth, since you could take the same administrative action against somebody blocking people. Except now you can push people off of steep ledges!

Safe to safe I'm probably never going to give this server a try lol

[Darryl McKoy]

OP thinks the warnings were unreasonable and didn't respect the rule, leading him to challenge it through this thread. I'm beginning to think you have a pretty heavy stake here in the discussion considering how hard you're trying to insult him over this corny-ass ban

I don't have stake in this at all, and I don't think I'm being any more heavy handed than usual. I simply don't agree with the OP's methods. If he doesn't like the rule or the mechanics, he could have been a lot more reasonable in his approach. Send a PM? Start a gen discussion thread? Raise it directly in the server without chucking a tizzy?

I've already said that I think the mechanic should be changed. I do however think that they're better off without the OP in their server anyway because he has clearly shown a an inability of dealing with things he doesn't agree with in a rational way.

[AverageDude]

OP thinks the warnings were unreasonable and didn't respect the rule, leading him to challenge it through this thread. I'm beginning to think you have a pretty heavy stake here in the discussion considering how hard you're trying to insult him over this corny-ass ban


So what I'm getting out of this is that click pushing is causing more problems than it's worth, since you could take the same administrative action against somebody blocking people. Except now you can push people off of steep ledges!

Safe to safe I'm probably never going to give this server a try lol

It's not really causing more problems than it's worth, it actually solves more problems.  Rather than having to manually remove people who block doors, it allows players to push people out of the way, at the cost of having to look for people blatantly pushing people for richard diddly reason.

[AverageDude]

It's not really causing more problems than it's worth, it actually solves more problems.  Rather than having to manually remove people who block doors, it allows players to push people out of the way, at the cost of having to look for people blatantly pushing people for richard diddly reason.

doublepost (sorry)
Forgot to include this:

During investigation period theres no combat so you can't beat someone down, which essentially gets you trapped without clickpush.  Having clickpush pretty much prevents you from getting trapped during a period like this.

[Darryl McKoy]

doublepost (sorry)
Forgot to include this:

During investigation period theres no combat so you can't beat someone down, which essentially gets you trapped without clickpush.  Having clickpush pretty much prevents you from getting trapped during a period like this.

So you're part of the administration yeah? How often do you actually need to ban someone for abusing this mechanic?

[IkeTheGeneric]

It's not really causing more problems than it's worth, it actually solves more problems.  Rather than having to manually remove people who block doors, it allows players to push people out of the way, at the cost of having to look for people blatantly pushing people for richard diddly reason.

So pushing people after a couple (IMO unreasonable) warnings warrants a full on permanent ban for, as you stated, future convenience?

God this server sounds like a drag