Author Topic: [INT. NEWS] Alfie Evans dead  (Read 16077 times)

Maybe we've got a miscommunication here. Do you think it would be unethical to end the kid's life or not?

i think it's up to the parents

Depends on if the kid is brown an starfish or not.
should you kill your baby:


i think it's up to the parents
I guess like legally speaking, kids are property of their parents. But in cases of current or impending brain death, shouldn't some kind of 'ward of the state' status kick in?

Like, surely it's forgeted up to keep a human being in that kind of dilapidated state when there's no chance of recovery. It's a messy and undignified way to go out, and I don't think parents should be able to force their kid to go through with that.

I guess like legally speaking, kids are property of their parents. But in cases of current or impending brain death, shouldn't some kind of 'ward of the state' status kick in?
in cases of parental neglect of dying children, it's the stupidity of the parents that eliminates any chance for the child to recover (e.g. faith healing of childhood cancer)

in the case of a child that's already terminally ill and dying anyway with no chance of recovery, there's zero potential for recovery and the decision should fall on the individual first and foremost, but if they're unable to consent (let's just say the legal age of consent for medically assisted Self Delete is the same as for love, so 16 in most places), then a parent/guardian has to make the decision. The individual, even if they can't consent, should have veto power if applicable though. In other words, they can't explicitly say "yes, kill me" but a parent/guardian can't force them into medically assisted Self Delete either

I guess like legally speaking, kids are property of their parents. But in cases of current or impending brain death, shouldn't some kind of 'ward of the state' status kick in?

Like, surely it's forgeted up to keep a human being in that kind of dilapidated state when there's no chance of recovery. It's a messy and undignified way to go out, and I don't think parents should be able to force their kid to go through with that.

I don't know why you would trust the state to make the moral call over parents. Theres quite a big disconnect there. The state doesn't give a stuff about your baby, it cares about the money the potato child is hemorrhaging by keeping it alive.

I don't know why you would trust the state to make the moral call over parents. Theres quite a big disconnect there. The state doesn't give a stuff about your baby, it cares about the money the potato child is hemorrhaging by keeping it alive.
the state has no personal investment in the child as an individual and therefore has nothing to lose by making a poor decision

This case is complicated in my mind because giving the state a license to essentially perform euthanasia is potentially problematic, however it's also morally reprehensible to leave a human being alive in the state that this kid is in.

The parents should have just chosen to remove Alfie from life support. Fighting it is a mistake.

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« Last Edit: April 26, 2018, 02:21:50 PM by ChappersTeddy »

This case is complicated in my mind because giving the state a license to essentially perform euthanasia is potentially problematic, however it's also morally reprehensible to leave a human being alive in the state that this kid is in.

The parents should have just chosen to remove Alfie from life support. Fighting it is a mistake.
this is the whole controversy in a nutshell. theres arguments for both sides regardless of your standpoint in how moral/permissable death should work.

id personally leave the decision up to the parents. we don't legally restrict them from teaching their kids things like "vaccines cause autism" and "the world is flat," only from harming their own children. in the most objective sense, trying to keep their kid alive isn't harming him, so therefore they should be allowed to decide what to do with the kid. the state can avow paying for it, but they shouldn't restrict them from bringing the kid to another country for treatment.

I hate myself for thinking this, but the first time I saw these young-(ish) parents on international news I thought 'why don't they just have another kid'

-14 year old boy with no kids



-14 year old boy with no kids
hes not proud he thought that. sometimes you just think about being devil's advocate even if you dont support that idea.

wheres your kids tho

what are you even trying to argue for

oh yeah? we'll where's my kid huh?