Author Topic: Activision C&D's Fangame "Spyro: Myths Awaken" | A change of heart (Read 6624 times)

hootaloo · September 26, 2018, 09:16:27 AM

Quote from: thegoodperry on September 26, 2018, 12:32:37 AM

imagine stealing the names and likenesses of copyrighted material and acting surprised when you get a cease and desist

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Tactical Nuke · September 27, 2018, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: thegoodperry on September 26, 2018, 02:28:41 AM

it's basically a disease that most gamers feel entitled to all content ever to be created. it happens here in blockland, it happens in other games, its happening right now in this thread. its a terrible time to be a content creator because while you have legal rights over all your intellectual property and content, you basically lose the favor of literally everyone if you try to enforce it or defend your content at all. you have people coming from all angles saying the "internet is free!" or whatever loving libertarian garbage bullstuff you can spew to basically justify anyone shamelessly copying and reproducing content.

people basically just see the content as some strange abstraction of a free product that can float around endlessly, and they give no regard to the creators' wellbeing or their stakes involved in the creation of the content. like as a youtuber you can literally lose your loving income because someone else decides to copy your style of video and steal your views. the moment they try to be protective and secure their own loving property they're selfish and benefiting themselves or whatever.

you loving cunts just see SPYRO and you don't see the however many billions of dollars that went into and were grossed from the mere idea of SPYRO. you just see this loving purple dragon and think that its fair game and anyone can do what they want with it. it damages the whole franchise. it confuses potential customers when they see whatever fan game first before they discover the actual official game. that fan game could be anything. it could contain hidden researchographic content in it, or the developer of the fan game could be a tribal, and suddenly when you think of SPYRO, you think of a tribal. or a stuffty game. you think HALF LIFE and the first thing that comes to mind is probably hunt down the freeman. this is why its loving dangerous. the people who worked for years to build up the likeness of SPYRO need to secure their loving content so they can continue to capitalize off of their own work.

so next time you want to say "awww, poor fan game devs :( they lost all that work :((((" try also thinking about the actual REAL loving owners of spyro and how much they would lose if a non-canon outsourced game suddenly engulfed the franchises' reputation

also can I just say as a musical/digital artist I unironically love this essay

Squib · September 27, 2018, 03:44:15 PM

phanto the essay quad poster

Master Matthew� · September 27, 2018, 04:28:20 PM

Phanto, there is a clear difference a company handing a license out to anyone, And just allowing fangames to exist. If you're making the claim that fans can ruin a games reputation and therefore companies have a not only a right, but a moral responsibility, to take down anything related to their property, then it is safe to assume you're also for the removal of Fan Art, fan fictions, fanmade music, fan videos and even accounts with avatars or names that are from a certain franchise, correct?

thegoodperry · September 27, 2018, 06:26:13 PM

Quote from: Master Matthew� on September 27, 2018, 04:28:20 PM

Phanto, there is a clear difference a company handing a license out to anyone, And just allowing fangames to exist. If you're making the claim that fans can ruin a games reputation and therefore companies have a not only a right, but a moral responsibility, to take down anything related to their property, then it is safe to assume you're also for the removal of Fan Art, fan fictions, fanmade music, fan videos and even accounts with avatars or names that are from a certain franchise, correct?

yes. companies obviously don't have the resources to dish out thousands of cease and desists for random fan art but they certainly have the right to. they also have the right to not give out cease and desists and no matter their decision, they are 100% in the right

thegoodperry · September 27, 2018, 06:29:33 PM

Also keep ib mind that the devs of myths awaken don't have to delete all their work. they just have to change it so that no trace of the Spyro likenesses remain. They could still make a full fledged game but they'd have to change the assets.
So it's not all lost, just in terms of the Spyro series then yeah it's lost

PowerDag · September 27, 2018, 07:00:36 PM

i wouldn't go to the length of insulting everyone that disagrees with me like phanto did but for the most part he hit the nail on the head. it sucks that devoted fans of a series either have to scrap their work entirely or stop paying direct tribute to the series they started out paying tribute to, but it's activision's intellectual property, and property they're immediately (re)making content for. whether the game is good, bad or just completely mediocre it's going to invariably reflect poorly on activision's part both financially (a good fangame will make activision look lazy, while a bad one will get activision associated with it) and legally (as with Nintendo, Activision letting some groups make fangames and not others would cheapen their stance and loosen their hold on their intellectual property, which opens up a whole can of worms for people looking for a piece of the intellectual property pie).

it's the depressing truth of game design -- it's not that they don't want you to pay homage to their games, it's that they don't want you taking away from their employees' salaries, and don't want to lose a sought-after property that makes them money.

Masterlegodude · September 27, 2018, 07:07:10 PM

Did PhantOS just pull a Tony?

TheABELBOTO · September 27, 2018, 10:07:00 PM

Quote from: thegoodperry on September 27, 2018, 06:29:33 PM

Also keep ib mind that the devs of myths awaken don't have to delete all their work. they just have to change it so that no trace of the Spyro likenesses remain. They could still make a full fledged game but they'd have to change the assets.
So it's not all lost, just in terms of the Spyro series then yeah it's lost

they could just make the Player Character a Pegasus or Griffin or hell any mythological creature with four legs and wings

crCIA averted

IkeTheGeneric · September 27, 2018, 10:33:07 PM

how dare companies be protective of their intellectual property!!

Vigil · September 27, 2018, 10:35:40 PM

Quote from: Nigel The Protagonist on September 26, 2018, 01:42:25 AM

Imagine doing a practice that shows your love and compassion for a game that's usually praised by almost every game company and possibly putting years of effort into it only to have it halted and cut off by a company that's incompetence requires it to get rid of any substitute for their stuffty games.

Lol shoulda thought about the fact they're building on copywritten IP beforehand. That's entirely the dev's fault. Its almost as if this sort of thing has happened before...

Master Matthew� · September 27, 2018, 10:50:07 PM

Quote from: Vigil on September 27, 2018, 10:35:40 PM

Lol shoulda thought about the fact they're building on copywritten IP beforehand. That's entirely the dev's fault. Its almost as if this sort of thing has happened before...

"Lol shoulda thought about the fact they were making a fangame to show their love and appreciation to game franchise. That's entirely the dev's fault. They should have seen this coming, i mean just look at what they were wearing, they were practically asking for it."

this type of stuff sounds like corporate shilling for the sake of corporate shilling. I get that some people have strong feelings about the law coming first. But the laws don't make the people, the people make the laws. And Activision is cherry picking stuff like this to get people to back off and buy their game. Like the same people who were going to download Myths Awaken for free weren't also going to buy Spyro Reignited Trilogy. This "protecting their IP" bullstuff is loving asinine, If it were so important to protect their IPs, why didn't they go after the Android COD Clones that are infringing on their copyright to make a profit that show up at the TOP OF THE SEARCH? No this is was an attack on the community to try and show who has the power, to tell us to forget off.

TableSalt · September 27, 2018, 10:54:39 PM

Quote from: Vigil on September 27, 2018, 10:35:40 PM

Lol shoulda thought about the fact they're building on copywritten IP beforehand.

Quote from: Master Matthew� on September 27, 2018, 10:50:07 PM

Lol shoulda thought about the fact they were making a fangame to show their love and appreciation to game franchise.

thegoodperry · September 27, 2018, 11:00:45 PM

i didn't steal their work! i just showed my love and dedication by using it without their permission...

Master Matthew� · September 27, 2018, 11:01:28 PM

Quote from: TableSalt on September 27, 2018, 10:54:39 PM

My point exactly. This argument is not, nor has it ever been, about what's LEGAL. NO stuff, It's completely LEGAL for activision to C&D their fans for making fangames. Activision could loving release "Spyro: Actually forget the Fans" tomorrow, and it would be legal. But LEGAL does not mean RIGHT.
Or as Badspot said:

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Might does not make right, friends. You can't host a party and then fling stuff at people because it's "your party".

Might does not make right, and they have the MIGHT to C&D a fangame, but that doesn't make it RIGHT.

You know what developer, who is VERY Anti-piracy, has also created a fangame?

Badspot.