Poll

I have posted a possibility for the election outcome in 6 variations. Choose your preferred below.

A. https://i.imgur.com/F6TVPLY.png
8 (34.8%)
B. https://i.imgur.com/uuRmNcE.png
3 (13%)
C. https://i.imgur.com/JK2OSsA.png
1 (4.3%)
D. https://i.imgur.com/sl6MVas.png
2 (8.7%)
E. https://i.imgur.com/K1GHlD3.png
2 (8.7%)
F. https://i.imgur.com/br3Sp06.png
7 (30.4%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Author Topic: United States Politics Thread | Local President Watches Poll  (Read 97198 times)

forget paywalls and forget making an account.
protip: if you want to read ny times without making an account and dont mind not seeing article pictures, just turn off javascript on their page. i use a chrome extension to allow me to quickly turn off javascript with just a click of a button

protip: if you want to read ny times without making an account and dont mind not seeing article pictures, just turn off javascript on their page. i use a chrome extension to allow me to quickly turn off javascript with just a click of a button
oh word, thanks. unfortunately this does seem to stuff up a couple foreign news sites in case anyone else is looking at this but still cool. thx!

Alright, we're starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

As long as everyone takes the FDA APPROVED vaccine, and soon the covid prevention pills and this will be over.



Wait, so Moderna and J&J don't work now because they aren't FDA approved yet? Will they magically start working again when they get approval?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2021, 04:07:43 PM by stargatefan »

I dont think that post was a attack on anything, just a reminder that it IS fda approved.

I dont think that post was a attack on anything, just a reminder that it IS fda approved.
Yea, but the whole thing just sounded silly.

On a side note...

Okay we're back. And under construction.

Expect changes. Again.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2021, 04:24:40 PM by Master Matthew˛ »

Well, it's that time again, I am once again shifting politically.

I am now more or less centrist.

As I have witnessed the growing extremes in the left, and the right. And I increasingly find myself feeling alien in either category, I realize I belong to neither.

Communism/Socialism - Command Economy that is founded in the despair and loss of an out of control capitalistic system.

Fear of Communism/Socialism - Maintained by the out of control capitalistic system to avoid any regulation over markets.

These are the two opposite ends of the candlestick that have been gnawing at me, fundamentally.
Authoritarian to Anarcho. And it feels like each side is either all in on one or the other. The left is all in on pushing toward socialism
and socialistic positions, and the right is all in on maintaining an out of control capitalistic system the moves all it's power to a select few.

These are basically the same end result, with opposing theories.

In a communist/socialist society, the power of economic control is handed to the government. The government inevitably uses it's newly found leverage to maintain power and stagnate upward mobility. Keeping the masses down gives them power over said masses. "Do what I say or you won't get your stimulus check."

In a capitalist society which has removed nearly all regulation, and is ruled by monopolies or manipulated pseudo polyopolies, uses it's wealth leverage to crush competition and stagnate upward mobility. Keeping the masses down gives them power over the masses. "Do what I say or you won't get your pay check."

We as Americans have fallen down these tribal lines. where there is no difference in outcome, and it the entirety of the battle is just cultural differences. We the people, once ran this country, but now it is ran by fear mongering and othering elitists. It's all too easy to fall down these rabbit holes. They appeal to the emotion of being the outsider, which most of us are.

One promises us false hope in the form of a reformation of government so the other is out of power. The other promises us false hope of reinforcement of government so the other is out of power.

Unless we recognize we need to use (that which would be mindlessly deemed socialist by the right) to maintain a free and fair market,
(which would be seen as being a capitalist bootlicker by the left) nothing will get better.

A free and fair market is not one in which there are no rules or regulations.
When the United States declared itself to be free from the British government, it was not anarchy.
There were laws and rules in place which determined how things were to be run, and limitations on power.

A free and fair market is regulated to keep those with obscene power from abusing said power to manipulate the market.

These objectives were misconstrued by the right in the 50s and 60s by using the communist excuse. "It will give the other power if we don't deregulate."

Then on the other side, the left dishonestly used this situation to claim that "capitalism is bad, become communist." ignoring the fact america is not a capitalist country. We are a democratic republic. We don't run our government based on the almighty dollar, nor should we. Even now, it's still unacceptable to publicly display yourself as a politician of the dollar. It's certainly an open secret there is corruption in the government, but the fundamental foundation is still clearly there. We are not capitalist, capitalism is not our founding value. But simply because we're not capitalist, does not mean we're therefore communist either.

over regulation of the market is as dangerous as no regulation, a balance must be struck so that the average person has more power than the anarchists and the command economists. We once had a sense of community and family, and I sense that many of us still do. But most of us have fallen into the social media casino that is twitter and facebook. These are hyper condensed social niches of crazy ideas stuck together to grow outward. This is how extremist ideologies grow. They grow in the dark or in plain sight under blind eyes. It's easy to shine the light on the dark, it's more difficult to get people to look.

While it is certainly easy to convince most right now there is a problem on the right, it's difficult to convince people there is a problem on the left, and nearly impossible to convince both there are problems on both sides contributing to this growing division. We've become emotional, distrustful and tribal.

If we don't break free from this terrible mindset, we are heading to one authoritarian dystopia or another. And neither will be pretty.

I recognize this focused mostly on the economic part of things, and not the cultural issues. But I consider those to be secondary issues because of the need pyramid.



Before the issue of cultural differences can even be discussed, the most fundamental issues need to considered first.

And all bare bone basic needs are funded by money and regulated by government.

I just want to say, I called it from the beginning. I love you all, goodnight.

I don’t believe any of us can truly change the world politically, Mathew. No amount of understanding or dissecting any belief will leave you satisfied. Just align with those who are close to you, who you love, or who you deem important. At the end of the day, we live in a society and we will die in that same society. Take a break Mathew. Take some time to rest.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2021, 11:28:40 AM by soldier101@ »

I would advocate to you, Matthew, a system of Market Socialism.
It seems to tackle the two issues you have with the extreme ends by keeping most power away from the government, while also keeping it away from an elite capital owner class.

As for US being a democratic republic, that doesn't prevent it's economic system from being capitalist. Proper critique of capitalism is simply a want to bring democracy to the economic system much like the government already has.

As for US being a democratic republic, that doesn't prevent it's economic system from being capitalist. Proper critique of capitalism is simply a want to bring democracy to the economic system much like the government already has.

No. But fundamentally, at our roots. Our economy is based around our ethics.  It was during the 50s we started kissing the asses of everyone offering us 50 cents and a promotion.

I just want to say, I called it from the beginning. I love you all, goodnight.

It wasn't bullstuff. I really did feel the way i did before. But I realized i was doing the same thing i was doing as a Annoying Orange supporter. Just in the opposite direction. Throwing away everything in order to justify my anger and evoke change. And it didn't matter what kind of change. I was fustrated, and not making good decisions.

this guy is pretending like he didn't just post a rick and morty gif in here


wow, I'm shocked and amazed, I never expected this.

Aesop called and he wants his fable back
« Last Edit: September 17, 2021, 02:46:23 AM by Mardalf »

I wonder what the ratio of tony's recent posts are from original text to quoting himself.