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I have posted a possibility for the election outcome in 6 variations. Choose your preferred below.

A. https://i.imgur.com/F6TVPLY.png
8 (34.8%)
B. https://i.imgur.com/uuRmNcE.png
3 (13%)
C. https://i.imgur.com/JK2OSsA.png
1 (4.3%)
D. https://i.imgur.com/sl6MVas.png
2 (8.7%)
E. https://i.imgur.com/K1GHlD3.png
2 (8.7%)
F. https://i.imgur.com/br3Sp06.png
7 (30.4%)

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Author Topic: United States Politics Thread | KYLE RITTENHOUSE NOT GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES  (Read 95447 times)

even if you manage to cast doubt on all the US statistics, you have the entire rest of the world's covid numbers to refute next. i have to question the purpose of this line of thought. what is the purported scale of the problem? are you insinuating that there's a worldwide fraud staged to make covid appear deadly and infectious when, in fact, it isn't at all or are you just splitting hairs over a few percentage points (in an amazing best case) for kicks
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even if you manage to cast doubt on all the US statistics, you have the entire rest of the world's covid numbers to refute next. i have to question the purpose of this line of thought. what is the purported scale of the problem? are you insinuating that there's a worldwide fraud staged to make covid appear deadly and infectious when, in fact, it isn't at all or are you just splitting hairs over a few percentage points (in an amazing best case) for kicks
its a globehead conspiracy to kill people who know the truth about the earth

its a worldwide conspiracy meant to cover up the fact the pandemic is actually real

what is the purported scale of the problem? are you insinuating that there's a worldwide fraud staged to make covid appear deadly and infectious when, in fact, it isn't at all
if im understanding the theory correctly this seems to be the main belief. i think the idea stems from the belief that the NWO-esque-world-economic-forum-great-reset is utilizing covid to instill fear and worldwide trust in government, as its one step closer to the "borderless one world ruled by a few" mindset they're trying to achieve.

if one successfully casted doubt on an entire nations covid statistics, it would be fair to assume other nations share similiar miscalculations. the adamant resilience in America, Australia, France, UK, Germany, and other nations around the world suggest large portions of people don't trust, don't believe, or otherwise don't see covid as much of a threat as its made out to be.

the more these people are touted as far-right conspiracy theorists for believing these things, personal experience or knowledge be damned, the more they will reject covid and any mainstream science that is related to it.
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he more these people are touted as far-right conspiracy theorists for believing these things, personal experience or knowledge be damned, the more they will reject covid and any mainstream science that is related to it.

I agree. And then along similar lines, you got a bunch of people attacking unvaccinated people potentially further alienating them from getting the shot.

On the flip side, it's always fun to mess with those conspiracy theorists. They start talking about a microchip being put into a shot and I'll just be like "Why would they need to put it in a shot? Don't you know the scale of computer chips nowadays? You could literally have dust particle sized computer chips floating around that you inhale." *Cue excessive compulsive mask wearing*


When people wake up and realize "we're actually national socialist germany now" it'll be way too late.
The only way to stop an authoritarian takeover is to stop it early.

It's not too late to stand up now. I understand, for many it would be crossing party lines.
But after what happened in NYC it should be obvious that the Establishment doesn't care
about right or left. The only reason they sided with the Left is because the Left empowered
them. It was in the hope they could alter the establishment and make it more like them.
However, time and again, the left became the establishment when given any political office.
As it had happened time and again when those on the right had done the same.

This is divide and conquer. The Populist Left and Right have so much in common, yet the
establishment uses what we disagree on to divide us. I recognize we have genuine disagreements.
But there is a time when those disagreements need to be put aside, and that time is now.

To those on the Left that see the right as evil, are you aware the Populist Right hates corporations as much as you?
To those on the Right, are you aware that the Populist Left wants to even the playing field between corporations
and locally owned businesses? And to you both, are you aware the establishment on each other's side are
Intentionally using the opposite's worst fears to make you ignore that.
Democrats tell the Right, they're socialist and these are socialist policies.
Republicans tell the Left, they're nationalist, and these are nationalist policies.
When in reality they are neither.

When the Right says they want to restrict major corporations, the Republicans claim to be nationalist and Democrats say's they're fascists.
When the Left says they want to even the playing field, the Democrats say they're socialists and Republicans say they're communists.

They're using fear of the other to keep us from pushing truly effective policies from either side.

Then behind our backs, they slowly rip away our rights, as they have ever since 9/11 and no doubt before that.

If we do not stand together today, we will be subjugated together tomorrow.

Populist right doesn't want to limit the power of corporations, the only things they seem to care about are culture war issues and conspiracy theories like Qanon, the big lie and antivaxx bullstuff.

The populist sides could have things in common if the right didn't abandon every stance they have on economics the moment Tucker Carlson says that the BLM wants to make white people feel guilty for their ancestors actions. And then they proceed to vote for republicans who ban any mentions of slavery and civil rights from school curriculum in hopes of banning "critical race theory".

The unfortunate thing is that the right doesn't care about big corporations and their policies in principle, only if it affects them negatively. (Not saying the left doesn't do this at all, but much less.)

Populist right doesn't want to limit the power of corporations, the only things they seem to care about are culture war issues and conspiracy theories like Qanon, the big lie and antivaxx bullstuff.

The populist sides could have things in common if the right didn't abandon every stance they have on economics the moment Tucker Carlson says that the BLM wants to make white people feel guilty for their ancestors actions. And then they proceed to vote for republicans who ban any mentions of slavery and civil rights from school curriculum in hopes of banning "critical race theory".

The unfortunate thing is that the right doesn't care about big corporations and their policies in principle, only if it affects them negatively. (Not saying the left doesn't do this at all, but much less.)

No, that's exactly what I'm saying. The republicans frame that as populist right. But it's establishment right and blind normies that believe that stuff.

The hardline populists on left and right are increasingly being alienated by their respective parties. I've witnessed this firsthand from both sides as I've been on both sides.

It's easy to give into your fears and play into the establishment bullstuff, far too easy. Cultural Issues are the key to that. This is the wedge the establishment uses to keep us divided, and I know to most this is a "no duh" sentence for many, but the main takeaway is that it may seem obvious. But it's all too easy to fall for it if you're not extremely vigilant.

The Establishment and those who live in fear are the biggest issues we face right now.

The Establishment can not be reasoned with. Those who live in fear can be reasoned with, but it's so difficult to do so, most get frustrated and
take a quick and easy path. Those who do that, also play into the establishment's hands.

It's a long game, slow and full of frustrating moments. But giving into fear is easy, giving into anger is easy, and those who feel alienated are an easy target for those who offer a group to be a part of. And those alienated, become part of this growing issue.

The populist right has tried, time and again, to put people in office who would limit corporations like Amazon, Facebook, Google, Wal-mart, Comcast, and other major corporate titans that are increasingly killing local stores throughout rural America. But time, and time again. Republicans call them socialists and rinos. Then they use their overwhelming corporate resources to put a controllable politician in place or force them to become controllable.

The populist left has tried time and again to put people in office who would start dealing with big pharma, taxing the proper people effectively. But time after time, Democrats call them bigots, tribals, and fascists. They use their overwhelming corporate resources to put a controllable politician in office, or to force them to become controllable.


We as voters, take what we can get, and try to vote down the ladder until we start having reasonable people in office. I saw that with Annoying Orange. But Annoying Orange became yet another establishment tool. Biden was an establishment tool throughout the primaries.

I know nearly every american agrees they hate their own political party and the opposition party because they feel as though they're more or less the same party.

But the overwhelming fear that is at the root of our current issue. Is the fear of the other.

Vote independent locally, and stop focusing on the federal. Once we see a growth of independent politicians taking over local offices, it will grow.

But too many want to have a silver bullet situation where President Nobody of the independent party suddenly gets 538 electoral votes and blows out both major parties. That's just never going to happen right now. People need to feel secure in voting outside of their own parties. Otherwise they will vote in fear out of a "lesser of two evils."

bernie would have been a better anti establishment candidate than anyone else who ran last presidential cycle. but thats also why he didnt get the candidacy

I know nearly every american agrees they hate their own political party and the opposition party because they feel as though they're more or less the same party.
This really hits home.
Vote independent locally, and stop focusing on the federal. Once we see a growth of independent politicians taking over local offices, it will grow.
Been trying to do that for awhile, honestly mathew i think there are bigger circles of influence that determine federal. It will never be up the the people. Local is all we can control, and quite frankly ive always been happy with my local area.


An unfortunate thing is that voting third party is going to, at least temporarily, give all political power to the republican party, which in it's current state would immediately trash the institutions to make sure that no other party would ever gain sufficient relevance to challenge them.

The first past the post system forces a country to have a two party system. While the D'Hondt method has it's problems, it could be a better solution.

An unfortunate thing is that voting third party is going to, at least temporarily, give all political power to the republican party, which in it's current state would immediately trash the institutions to make sure that no other party would ever gain sufficient relevance to challenge them.

The first past the post system forces a country to have a two party system. While the D'Hondt method has it's problems, it could be a better solution.
The first past the post system is ancient. It's certainly not the best option out there. But its what we have now. And the only way to change it is to vote through it. And neither of thenmain 2 political parties will vote against a system that favors them. But this post holds something interesting. Red areas are as afraid of turning blue as blue areas are of turning red. 

While the fears are real, the dangers are a different story. I'm assuming that you're a centrist Matthew. The republican party is objectively worse than the Democratic party. Many leftists have been disillusioned by the Dems and their status quo tendencies.

To many this sounds like I'm sucking off the Dems, but voting for the lesser of two evils is necessary for a leftist if they actually hope to change things. Giving any extra power to republicans is only going to damage the chances of changing the system. While corporate democrats aren't good either, they are much more easy to fight against than the mental borderline fascist republicans.

If the democrats gain supermajority, then the only steps left are to gain enough power within the party and then change the election system to make it more amicable to 3rd parties.