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I have posted a possibility for the election outcome in 6 variations. Choose your preferred below.

A. https://i.imgur.com/F6TVPLY.png
8 (34.8%)
B. https://i.imgur.com/uuRmNcE.png
3 (13%)
C. https://i.imgur.com/JK2OSsA.png
1 (4.3%)
D. https://i.imgur.com/sl6MVas.png
2 (8.7%)
E. https://i.imgur.com/K1GHlD3.png
2 (8.7%)
F. https://i.imgur.com/br3Sp06.png
7 (30.4%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Author Topic: United States Politics Thread | No Buy Friday, a new weekly tradition.  (Read 74025 times)

cant wait for the future of feudalism

Apparently I haven't watched star trek enough times, I'll come back once I've blurred the line between reality and scifi utopia a bit.

Apparently I haven't watched star trek enough times, I'll come back once I've blurred the line between reality and scifi utopia a bit.
remember to trip on LSD so you just think you're living in star trek

Star Trek is fiction regardless of who cites it for what.

No its not communist or socialist.
Its not capitalist either.

Its science fiction.


Whoosh.

Leave it to mm to jump to socialism and communism

My point. Is we don't currently need a post scarcity world to have automated labor and a UBI.

Post scarcity would make automated labor itself irrelivant.

I'm seeing stuff everywhere of people just quitting there jobs and signs syaing no one wants to work there lol

I remember when mcdonalds workers demanded 15 an hour


So mcdonalds responded by replacing them with computers

but you still need employees to cook the food
« Last Edit: May 11, 2021, 12:01:57 AM by King Tøny »

My point. Is we don't currently need a post scarcity world to have automated labor and a UBI.

Post scarcity would make automated labor itself irrelivant.
i think the point hes trying to make is that under certain definitions of communism, a post-scarcity society is like the main tenet of it.

here's a relevant excerpt because it resembles Mardalfs post:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy#:~:text=Karl%20Marx%2C%20in%20a%20section,a%20point%20where%20all%20people
Karl Marx, in a section of his Grundrisse that came to be known as the "Fragment on Machines",[22][23] argued that the transition to a post-capitalist society combined with advances in automation would allow for significant reductions in labor needed to produce necessary goods, eventually reaching a point where all people would have significant amounts of leisure time to pursue science, the arts, and creative activities; a state some commentators later labeled as "post-scarcity".[24] Marx argued that capitalism—the dynamic of economic growth based on capital accumulation—depends on exploiting the surplus labor of workers, but a post-capitalist society would allow for:

The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them.[25]

I don't think most of the world is in a state of post-scarcity because there are several parts of the globe that aren't even industrialized yet, so the conversation is irrelevant when it comes to policy in the present.

Anyone who abruptly jumps to communism has never lived in a communist society. Venezuela was anti capitalist and thrived under socialist reform, then a nasty human took office and plunged it's people into chaos. People are still grinding gp and selling for currency just for a meal or two, maybe less.

There isn't a form of government that truly puts it's people first because the ones in charge always go mad with power. MM if you took office you'd undoubtedly find a loophole that secures your position over the people, over time you too would go corrupt. So don't subjugate yourself to that anarchy bullstuff.

Work out, eat good, sleep well and quit force-feeding yourself useless stuff. You'll find life more enjoyable with just a little bit of apathy.

Work out, eat good, sleep well and quit force-feeding yourself useless stuff. You'll find life more enjoyable with just a little bit of apathy.
I mean if you train yourself to have 0 empathy for people around you and their conditions as well


There isn't a form of government that truly puts it's people first because the ones in charge always go mad with power. MM if you took office you'd undoubtedly find a loophole that secures your position over the people, over time you too would go corrupt. So don't subjugate yourself to that anarchy bullstuff.

this is such a bullstuff position to take. There's been plenty of people in life who have had power and gave it up or the chance to take power but didn't simply because their interests lied in something overall more selfless. It's one thing to be apathetic, it's something else entirely to be a pessimistic nay-sayer.

Wait though if they give it up then the power doesn't make them go mad because they gave up the power, so that doesn't necessarily disqualify his statement right?

Just some semantics.

people don’t go “mad with power,” they attain it with a specific agenda in mind and their representing party makes sure they carry it out. you’re being arbitrarily obtuse

i get mad with power cause so many dumb people try to pull stuff and i have to deal with it. without admin i wouldnt give a stuff.