Xbox 360: Redundancy kills me

[Mr_Grinch14]

"360:

Uses HD DVD. A redundant type of disk, is hardly sold anywhere anymore and lost the battle between the HD disks. Supports 72p only for games, and 1080p for movies. If they are in HD DVD. Has a very large community, a HUGE selection of games, which are all extremely fun."

Now, i love Sony but i must try and correct you.

  For one, the Xbox doesn't use HD DVD's it uses just regular DVDs for its games which are far from redundant. Also, all the games are in what ever resolution your TV Supports. I've played in Full 1080p on a 24 inch Gateway monitor and 1080i on a brand new 50 inch plasma. Now while some of the games may be in 720p and i might be totally wrong about the 1080i/p thing just read a little further.

  Think about this, the Wii is the simplest by technology standards (graphics, etc) now the Ps3 is the most complex/best, i'll give it that. Which one sold more? Which one has a larger fan base.

  Ok, the Xbox. Lets forget Xbox live lets forget the library of games. It may not be as powerful as the Ps3, but how come games are developed for the Xbox then ported to the other consoles? (most of the time, the guys at IW and Bethesda SAID they do that). Becuase its the Easier system to develop for, thats why.

  I love Sony, i love their products and Blu-ray is looking to be a great format. But i just cant give them the benefit of the doubt on this whole Ps3 thing, its been to long and they just haven't brought the ps3 up to where it really really needs to be. Its hard to develop for, it's Expensive (Blu-ray player that's why) and the Xbox, while it may be the underpowered, fanboy-licious system that it is, its accessible. It Runs the games, and they look fantastic.

So what, the Ps3 is better right? Its got better hardware it doesn't break down, its got some excellent exclusives right? It has a good Fan base, it has All the Games that the Xbox has right even Bioshock! It runs games in Full resolution! Right!?

Well why hasn't it sold as well as the Xbox? The Wii?

And while i have my own page (right now lol) for this post, let me add by saying:

Those who say their PC is better then both combined. There probabbly right. The PC is god of the Gaming world whether us puny console gamers like it or not :P

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[Kerog]

I really don't care what anyone says, I just play it.

[Marcem]

So much for non-biased...  

A bit biased things:
Burnout Paradise was made on PS3, ported to Xbox, great use of features on both, Xbox to PS3 just has a few things tacked on, much like Wii games.  So people who make it on PS3 tend to work on it a bit more, on both systems, because they took the time to make it on PS3, the "harder" one.  I doubt it's that hard, you just aren't using DirectX.

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[Chrono]

Xbox 360 has a lot of pointless stuff in it, but is still good for hardcore gamers.

The thing is, you don't have to use the pointless stuff.

[n0cturni]

360:

Uses HD DVD. No, no it doesn't. You have to have that optional HD-DVD player that is almost nonexistent and should never even be mentioned. A redundant type of disk, is hardly sold anywhere anymore Because they aren't sold anymore. and lost the battle between the HD disks. Supports 720p only for games, and 1080p for movies. FALSE. It depends on the game you are playing; not all games support 1080p; An example of a game that does support it is Frontlines: Fuel of war. If they are in HD DVD. Hello it doesn't have an HD-DVD player. Has a very large community, a HUGE selection of games, which are all extremely fun.


Also: tl;dr Xbox 360 has a lot of pointless stuff in it, but is still good for hardcore gamers. The Xbox 360 doesn't have any pointless stuff. If the ability to read discs is pointless, then I guess it is.

AlsoAlso: Tell me if this goes in drama; I didn't think it would really need to. This isn't Blockland-related, so no.

[Reformist]

Hunter, do you have LIVE?

[Skele]

From what I've heard, read, and been told in my computer science course, the PS3 is harder to create games for, I think more initially than it is now, but it is easier to port those games to other systems. So whenever you see a game that looks better on the 360 rather than the PS3, it's because of the poor porting it went through, such as GTA4.

Also, the PS3 is supposedly going through what the PS2 went through. PS2 took a while to catch up or something, but later started to sell like crazy, once the slim version was released. It's supposedly still being sold now.

And ya, the PC dominates the gaming industry, but what you need to understand is that the PC also comes with many other issues along side that. Constant updating, fear of viruses and hacking, outdated drivers, outdated hardware, etc. The consoles are the perfect solution for someone who doesn't have time, the patience, or the knowledge to deal with that. You have to look at other aspects to truly choose what's the best... and in the end it's all based on opinion, gaming style, money, and life style.

[Reactor Worker]

People severely overestimate the power of the PS3.

It's strength (and weakness) lies in it's IBM Cell Microprocessor. At the simplest level it is a processor with 8 "cores" (AKA Cells). 1 core is always disabled to account for errors in manufacturing. A second core is used to run the PS3's operating system. The remaining 6 cores are used to play games and movies.

While 6 cells sounds great, it's uses are limited from a gaming aspect. The ability to use all (or most) of the cells is tricky considering that most aspects of games rely on the interactivity of the games elements (such as the physics calculations interacting with the AI). In the end, the result is that the presence of 6 cells available for use doesn't increase the PS3's potential power for gaming and instead is in line with the hardware of the 360 and older Core 2 Duo based PC platforms.

The PS3 also uses an special chip from Nvidia, the RSX (or "Reality Simulator"). It shares much of the same technology as with the ancient Nvidia 7800, including the G70 architecture. Main point is that it isn't much to write home about.

The 6 cores, while not incredibly useful for gaming, are useful in other application like protein folding or cracking encryption methods, both of which can easily be designated to different cells and work can be performed simultaneously.

The argument that PS3 games look or run better than the 360 is flawed in two ways. 1)Image quality is mostly subjective and not objective. 2)Both consoles can run games at 1080p, it is all a matter of to what length the game developers wish to take it. Multiplayer games like COD4 or Halo 3 might benefit from the lower overhead of 720p (which doesn't look that dissimilar from 1080p) whereas "art" or singleplayer games might benefit from it. Also, smaller TV's won't show the difference between the 2 formats.

The Xbox gets it's name from DirectX, the graphics technology Microsoft uses in Windows. The same graphics technology that has had years and years to mature, to gain support and familiarity with developers. It makes little economic sense for a developer to try to create games for the PS3 (at least initially) when they can very easily develop games for the PC and Xbox 360 simultaneously. Of course some do because of obligations they have to Sony, and some "port" it to the PS3 later for a little extra market share.

[yuki]

360:
Supports 72p only for games,

I don't know where you're from, but I play in 1080p.

[Mr_Grinch14]

People severely overestimate the power of the PS3.

It's strength (and weakness) lies in it's IBM Cell Microprocessor. At the simplest level it is a processor with 8 "cores" (AKA Cells). 1 core is always disabled to account for errors in manufacturing. A second core is used to run the PS3's operating system. The remaining 6 cores are used to play games and movies.

While 6 cells sounds great, it's uses are limited from a gaming aspect. The ability to use all (or most) of the cells is tricky considering that most aspects of games rely on the interactivity of the games elements (such as the physics calculations interacting with the AI). In the end, the result is that the presence of 6 cells available for use doesn't increase the PS3's potential power for gaming and instead is in line with the hardware of the 360 and older Core 2 Duo based PC platforms.

The PS3 also uses an special chip from Nvidia, the RSX (or "Reality Simulator"). It shares much of the same technology as with the ancient Nvidia 7800, including the G70 architecture. Main point is that it isn't much to write home about.

The 6 cores, while not incredibly useful for gaming, are useful in other application like protein folding or cracking encryption methods, both of which can easily be designated to different cells and work can be performed simultaneously.

The argument that PS3 games look or run better than the 360 is flawed in two ways. 1)Image quality is mostly subjective and not objective. 2)Both consoles can run games at 1080p, it is all a matter of to what length the game developers wish to take it. Multiplayer games like COD4 or Halo 3 might benefit from the lower overhead of 720p (which doesn't look that dissimilar from 1080p) whereas "art" or singleplayer games might benefit from it. Also, smaller TV's won't show the difference between the 2 formats.

The Xbox gets it's name from DirectX, the graphics technology Microsoft uses in Windows. The same graphics technology that has had years and years to mature, to gain support and familiarity with developers. It makes little economic sense for a developer to try to create games for the PS3 (at least initially) when they can very easily develop games for the PC and Xbox 360 simultaneously. Of course some do because of obligations they have to Sony, and some "port" it to the PS3 later for a little extra market share.

Holy stuff you made sense. Thanks for that wall of text, reactor. (being honest)

"The 6 cores, while not incredibly useful for gaming, are useful in other application like protein folding or cracking encryption methods, both of which can easily be designated to different cells and work can be performed simultaneously."

I lol'd

[Reactor Worker]

Wait...why'd you "lol"?  =?

[Mr_Grinch14]

because the Ps3 is a gaming console. And i just imagined what the hell was sony thinking? I mean, its like "Oh so that's why i bought a console"

[Chrono]

I don't know where you're from, but I play in 1080p.

Yeah, so does my oldest brother on his 360. Hmm.

[yuki]

ITT: We learn the definition of "Redundant".