The point I'm trying to make is I shouldn't have to go and download extra bullstuff to join a server, especially if I don't know if I'm going to enjoy it. I can see the appeal in making a small server with friends, but it's stupid when you go for more people, especially people you don't know irl. As for the argument stuff, these are my oppinions. I base my oppinions on things I have experienced and have had taught to me. The last time I forgeted with hamachi I had to read a huge list of instructions, that was a long time ago and apparently they have an installer now, maybe I was reading the wrong instructions, it doesn't matter. IMO I should't have to download things for a server that add nothing to gameplay.