http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=204596.0

[dkamm65]

lnl is trash and if you use it youre trash

Quite the opposite, actually. It takes more skill to use.

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[GenaralSkar]

The grenade launcher is a bit to random for me, the lnl seems more accurate.

[Jenxas]

Dear Freeze,
Do you know why the highest of tf2 players use the Stock Grenade Launcher over the Loch-n-Load? More Shots == More Damage. Say that you miss one of your shots with the LnL. With the Stock, you have 3 rounds left, which means more damage. Also if you miss your target, the Stock goes off anyways, still able to cause damage. The Grenade Launcher just has many more opportunities then the LnL and even if your argument is solid then a boat, it will ultimately be the Titanic.

[Freeze]

not if you bounce your shots around corners/over objects

its like you guys think grenade shots actually bounce

they dont

also jenxas the whole point is that you dont miss
no need for big text

[dkamm65]

Dear morons, did you know typing in massive bold letters doesn't make you any more right?

[Jenxas]

its like you guys think grenade shots actually bounce

they dont

also jenxas the whole point is that you dont miss
no need for big text

if you aren't accounting for missing then you aren't trying to make a point, you are just looking at statistics.

[Freeze]

maybe my playstyle is just different from you guys

i hardly use grenades, my sticky launcher is my primary demo weapon
the grenades imo are only for when i dont have time to shoot stickies or im outta ammo so i wouldnt NEED to shoot that much because id be falling back slightly to reload/get ammo

if you aren't accounting for missing then you aren't trying to make a point, you are just looking at statistics.

thats the entire point
it takes more skill to use

[Private McDoggy]

I like loch-n-load better

[Jenxas]

if it took more skill to use then you would see players like b4nny use it.
This has nothing to do with skill. Everyone misses.

[Flamecannon]

Everyone misses.

I never miss B)

[Vegetarian Zombie]

LnL is Demoman's Bazaar Bargain

[Proog]

Actually it's more like the Demoman's Direct Hit.

[Vegetarian Zombie]

Actually it's more like the Demoman's Direct Hit.

Nono

Bazaarr Bargain and LnL both perform spectacularly if you are godlike, and only if you are.

[Proog]

Let's see what the direct hit and loch and load have in common.

Fire faster
Explosive penalties
Better damage
More single target oriented
Less area denial

On the other hand, the Bazaarr Bargain is a weapon meant for stacking, since it gains bonuses the more you kill with it. The Loch and Load was built to favor skill shots like the Direct Hit, not scaling in power.

[Vegetarian Zombie]

disregard I'm dumb